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Worst film to win an Oscar as best picture?

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Post by Thorkell » March 21st, 2013, 8:57 am

I have now seen all but one Oscar winner as best picture. The only one left is The Broadway Melody, which I will watch tomorrow. Tonight I saw two quite bad ones, The Greatest Show on Earth (which stole the Oscar from High Noon!!!) and Cimarron, which has to be the worst film to win an Oscar, ever! So here is my question, of the films you have seen, what do you think is the worst film to win an Oscar?

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Post by mightysparks » March 21st, 2013, 9:01 am

Cimarron and Cavalcade. Patton and Hamlet are also pretty bad.
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Post by Pain » March 21st, 2013, 9:02 am

I didn't watch the infamous ones (Cimarron, Cavalcade, The Greatest Show on Earth), but from the ones I've seen, Titanic, Rain Man and Crash are the worst.

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Post by HVM » March 21st, 2013, 9:28 am

The bar is set pretty low so no purely unimaginative and boring film can win, but I nominate Crash for being a piece of ... and The Return of the King because IMO it's not a standalone film (and everything Kevin Smith said about its ending is true).
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Post by Samlion » March 21st, 2013, 9:58 am

easy, Shakespeare in love

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Post by kingink » March 21st, 2013, 10:50 am

Cavalcade was a bad film but Cimarron, The Broadway Melody and The Greatest Show on Earth were atrocious. Thankfully I don't remember much from Cimarron and The Broadway Melody (my brain knows how to protect itself), but "The Greatest piece of crap on Earth" stills gives me the chills.
There are other films that I don't like, like Titanic for example, but there is no comparison with the three mentioned above

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Post by St. Gloede » March 21st, 2013, 11:16 am

Haha, poor Thorkell. You see, The Broadway Melody is by far the worst. :D

Cimarron and The Greatest Show on Earth follows.

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Post by CMT » March 21st, 2013, 11:52 am

mightysparks on Mar 21 2013, 03:01:13 AM wrote:Cimarron and Cavalcade. Patton and Hamlet are also pretty bad.
I haven't seen it but what didn't you like about Hamlet?

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Post by clemmetarey » March 21st, 2013, 1:40 pm

Samlion on Mar 21 2013, 03:58:14 AM wrote:easy, Shakespeare in love
My pick as well.

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Post by Kasparius » March 21st, 2013, 2:05 pm

Crash (2004) and Slumdog Millionaire

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Post by mightysparks » March 21st, 2013, 2:06 pm

Chris M Turton on Mar 21 2013, 05:52:07 AM wrote:
mightysparks on Mar 21 2013, 03:01:13 AM wrote:Cimarron and Cavalcade. Patton and Hamlet are also pretty bad.
I haven't seen it but what didn't you like about Hamlet?
Everything. :P
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Post by bal3x » March 21st, 2013, 2:07 pm

From 67 seen, here are my dislikes on the list:
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The Broadway Melody
Cimarron
Cavalcade
Gone with the Wind
West Side Story
Tom Jones
Dances with Wolves
Forrest Gump
Braveheart
The English Patient
Titanic
Gladiator
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
Million Dollar Baby
Crash
Slumdog Millionaire
Strangely enough it would appear the worst comes from the 30s and from recent decades... hard to pick just one.
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Post by VincentPrice » March 21st, 2013, 4:13 pm

The Broadway Melody is pretty bad.

Also bad: Cimarron, Grand Hotel, Cavalcade, Gone with the Wind, Mrs. Miniver, Around the World in 80 Days, Lawrence of Arabia, Tom Jones, Annie Hall, Chariots of Fire, Out of Africa, The English Patient and Crash.

There are others I don't particularly care for like Emile Zola and The Great Ziegfeld but don't really hate either.

Oh and all I've got left to see is The Last Emperor for Best Picture winners.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » March 21st, 2013, 4:17 pm

There are other bad winners, but Cimarron is clearly a step below any of the other bad ones.

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Post by brokenface » March 21st, 2013, 4:25 pm

think my least favourite is Going My Way and I'd also give dishonourable mentions to: Out of Africa, Tom Jones, Shakespeare in Love, Million Dollar Baby, Titanic.

haven't seen:
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The Broadway Melody, Cimarron, Cavalcade, The Greatest Show on Earth, Around the World in 80 Days, Gigi, Oliver, Driving Miss Daisy, Crash
Not exactly looking forward to most of them, given they nearly all been listed on this thread!

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Post by Rich » March 21st, 2013, 4:34 pm

VincentPrice on Mar 21 2013, 10:13:42 AM wrote:The Broadway Melody is pretty bad.

Also bad: Cimarron, Grand Hotel, Cavalcade, Gone with the Wind, Mrs. Miniver, Around the World in 80 Days, Lawrence of Arabia, Tom Jones, Annie Hall, Chariots of Fire, Out of Africa, The English Patient and Crash.

There are others I don't particularly care for like Emile Zola and The Great Ziegfeld but don't really hate either.

Oh and all I've got left to see is The Last Emperor for Best Picture winners.
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Post by Kasparius » March 21st, 2013, 4:41 pm

brokenface on Mar 21 2013, 10:25:47 AM wrote:think my least favourite is Going My Way and I'd also give dishonourable mentions to: Out of Africa, Tom Jones, Shakespeare in Love, Million Dollar Baby, Titanic.

haven't seen:
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The Broadway Melody, Cimarron, Cavalcade, The Greatest Show on Earth, Around the World in 80 Days, Gigi, Oliver, Driving Miss Daisy, Crash
Not exactly looking forward to most of them, given they nearly all been listed on this thread!
Gigi and Oliver have redeeming qualities. Driving Miss Daisy is mostly white guilt trash, but it's somewhat entertaining.

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Post by themagician » March 21st, 2013, 4:44 pm

PeacefulAnarchy on Mar 21 2013, 10:17:20 AM wrote:There are other bad winners, but Cimarron is clearly a step below any of the other bad ones.
Does it have some relation to this? Judging by the name...


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Post by bal3x » March 21st, 2013, 4:46 pm

Rich on Mar 21 2013, 10:34:32 AM wrote:
VincentPrice on Mar 21 2013, 10:13:42 AM wrote:The Broadway Melody is pretty bad.

Also bad: Cimarron, Grand Hotel, Cavalcade, Gone with the Wind, Mrs. Miniver, Around the World in 80 Days, Lawrence of Arabia, Tom Jones, Annie Hall, Chariots of Fire, Out of Africa, The English Patient and Crash.

There are others I don't particularly care for like Emile Zola and The Great Ziegfeld but don't really hate either.

Oh and all I've got left to see is The Last Emperor for Best Picture winners.
:huh:
Well, apart Lawrence of Arabia and Annie Hall I don't see anything surprising in Vincent's list ;)

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Post by VincentPrice » March 21st, 2013, 4:51 pm

One day I promise to give Lawrence of Arabia another chance, I was bored out of my goddamn mind when I saw it though.

And Annie Hall...yeah, don't care for Woody Allen, especially that film and Manhattan.

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Post by bal3x » March 21st, 2013, 5:19 pm

VincentPrice on Mar 21 2013, 10:51:22 AM wrote:One day I promise to give Lawrence of Arabia another chance, I was bored out of my goddamn mind when I saw it though.

And Annie Hall...yeah, don't care for Woody Allen, especially that film and Manhattan.
I'm not a huge fan of both of these actually, clearly I can appreciate the visual brilliance and scope of Lawrance, but the content didn't seem very interesting to me.
I do love Woody films for the most part, Annie Hall is not among my favs, but it's still great IMO, I do prefer Manhattan over it though.
I just think that none of these are really among the worst on this list considering how many other mediocre films there are, most have been already mentioned here and quite surprisingly there seems to be a reasonable consensus.
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Post by Kowry » March 21st, 2013, 6:26 pm

Only seen 37 and haven't seen any of the most notorious ones (e.g. Crash, Cimarron, Broadway Melody...). The Hurt Locker and Slumdog Millionaire the only one I'd say I disliked, but there are a couple that I haven't seen since I was a kid and that I could potentially dislike (Titanic, Forrest Gump).

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Post by Thorkell » March 21st, 2013, 6:30 pm

VincentPrice on Mar 21 2013, 10:51:22 AM wrote:One day I promise to give Lawrence of Arabia another chance, I was bored out of my goddamn mind when I saw it though.

And Annie Hall...yeah, don't care for Woody Allen, especially that film and Manhattan.
Well I bloody hope you do! I watch Lawrence of Arabia every year and if I where told that I was dying tomorrow then it would be the last film I would watch. Most people who don't like it say it grows on them when they watch it again.

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Post by allisoncm » March 21st, 2013, 6:31 pm

http://mubi.com/lists/academy-award-win ... ure-ranked

Bottom 10:
2001 – A Beautiful Mind
1962 – Lawrence of Arabia (long, boring, I first saw this in 5th grade and fell asleep. I rewatched this again last year on TCM and would rather shoot myself than to see this film again)
2009 – The Hurt Locker (did they just give this film top honors for the heck of it? Practically any other film directed by a woman is better than this, and I am an expert in this field)
1933 – Cavalcade
2005 – Crash
1970 – Patton (George C. Scott screaming for a couple hours. No thanks)
1997 – Titanic (even as a 15 year old girl, I hated this film)
2003 – The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (for fanboys only)
1993 – Schindler’s List (every time the theme song played when this film won another award at the Oscars, I felt more and more sick)
1952 – The Greatest Show on Earth (definitely the worst pick for best pic)

Cimarron is way down there, but the part about the Oklahoma pioneers is kind of interesting.

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Post by VincentPrice » March 21st, 2013, 6:32 pm

Oh god, I forgot to include Gump, I haaaaate that stupid stupid stupid movie. (except Sinise, he is great)

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Post by Thorkell » March 21st, 2013, 6:32 pm

Crinderman on Mar 21 2013, 05:16:06 AM wrote:Haha, poor Thorkell. You see, The Broadway Melody is by far the worst. :D

Cimarron and The Greatest Show on Earth follows.
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Post by jeroeno » March 21st, 2013, 6:37 pm

1. Gentleman's Agreement
2. Oliver!
3. The Broadway Melody
4. A Beautiful Mind
5. (tie) Terms of Endearment & Chicago

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Post by burneyfan » March 21st, 2013, 7:21 pm

Cimarron. There are others I don't like, but...Cimarron. Irene Dunne cannot save it.

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » March 21st, 2013, 7:24 pm

All of this talk is making me wanna watch Cimarron.
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Post by Kasparius » March 21st, 2013, 7:36 pm

I'm going to watch Mann's Cimarron and report back. My guess is it will be better than the original.

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » March 21st, 2013, 7:39 pm

1 being the worst:

1. Titanic
2. Broadway Melody
3. Cimarron

And now I've seen them all!

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » March 21st, 2013, 7:56 pm

Kasparius on Mar 21 2013, 01:36:21 PM wrote:I'm going to watch Mann's Cimarron and report back. My guess is it will be better than the original.
It's definitely better, but it's nothing special in my book.

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Post by Kasparius » March 21st, 2013, 7:58 pm

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Mar 21 2013, 01:56:32 PM wrote:
Kasparius on Mar 21 2013, 01:36:21 PM wrote:I'm going to watch Mann's Cimarron and report back. My guess is it will be better than the original.
It's definitely better, but it's nothing special in my book.
That's what I hear, but at least with Mann I know it will be well directed, therefore worth my time.

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » March 21st, 2013, 8:08 pm

Kasparius on Mar 21 2013, 01:58:37 PM wrote:
Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Mar 21 2013, 01:56:32 PM wrote:
Kasparius on Mar 21 2013, 01:36:21 PM wrote:I'm going to watch Mann's Cimarron and report back. My guess is it will be better than the original.
It's definitely better, but it's nothing special in my book.
That's what I hear, but at least with Mann I know it will be well directed, therefore worth my time.
Oddly, I watched the Mann version first, not knowing there were different versions. Then I realized I had not watched the famous one, so soon thereafter I had to hunt down the older one, and of course my immediate reaction after seeing it was "This is the one that won the Oscar?!"

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Post by Kasparius » March 21st, 2013, 8:14 pm

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Mar 21 2013, 02:08:23 PM wrote:
Kasparius on Mar 21 2013, 01:58:37 PM wrote:
Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Mar 21 2013, 01:56:32 PM wrote:It's definitely better, but it's nothing special in my book.
That's what I hear, but at least with Mann I know it will be well directed, therefore worth my time.
Oddly, I watched the Mann version first, not knowing there were different versions. Then I realized I had not watched the famous one, so soon thereafter I had to hunt down the older one, and of course my immediate reaction after seeing it was "This is the one that won the Oscar?!"
I think with earlie talkies, people were still impressed with people talking on screen (or singing, which explains Broadway Melody) I think it still happens with different technological advances. For instance this year's Life of Pi win in two major categories is part of that phenomenon. I'm pretty damn sure that 30 years from now people will look at that and say "what the hell were they smoking?"

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » March 21st, 2013, 8:16 pm

Kasparius on Mar 21 2013, 02:14:30 PM wrote:
Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Mar 21 2013, 02:08:23 PM wrote:
Kasparius on Mar 21 2013, 01:58:37 PM wrote:That's what I hear, but at least with Mann I know it will be well directed, therefore worth my time.
Oddly, I watched the Mann version first, not knowing there were different versions. Then I realized I had not watched the famous one, so soon thereafter I had to hunt down the older one, and of course my immediate reaction after seeing it was "This is the one that won the Oscar?!"
I think with earlie talkies, people were still impressed with people talking on screen (or singing, which explains Broadway Melody) I think it still happens with different technological advances. For instance this year's Life of Pi win in two major categories is part of that phenomenon. I'm pretty damn sure that 30 years from now people will look at that and say "what the hell were they smoking?"
I didn't see Life of Pi but I think that's a good analogy.

And that's definitely the only possible explanation for Broadway Melody's Oscar. :pinch:

EDIT: I mean, just compare the quality of Broadway Melody to that of Wings or Sunrise. :/
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Post by burneyfan » March 21st, 2013, 8:21 pm

Anyone care to hazard the worst winner of the foreign-language film Oscar?

I'd have to actually look at the list of winners, but I just saw Okuribito a few days ago, and I've been disgusted (though maybe I shouldn't be surprised) that it won in its year.

It's a good idea with perfectly adequate cast, not a bad-looking film, but...every "major problem" is solved so tidily, every person who disses the guy comes to value his work (through having someone they know die, all in the span of about six months), every "awwww" moment is given ham-handed expository set-up roughly 30 minutes in advance, like it's on a timer... It was one step up from Hallmark Channel TV movies. It was all right as pass-the-time entertainment, but worthy of winning prizes? No. (Just to be clear, before someone leaps to tell me that I just don't "get" how taboo death is in the culture -- my complaints are with the film's structure and lack of depth, not its choice of topic -- I think a great Japanese movie -- or several great ones -- could be made working with that setting or topic -- comedy or drama -- but Okuribito is just shallowwwwwwwww.)

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Post by Rich » March 21st, 2013, 8:23 pm

burneyfan on Mar 21 2013, 02:21:00 PM wrote:Anyone care to hazard the worst winner of the foreign-language film Oscar?

I'd have to actually look at the list of winners, but I just saw Okuribito a few days ago, and I've been disgusted (though maybe I shouldn't be surprised) that it won in its year.

It's a good idea with perfectly adequate cast, not a bad-looking film, but...every "major problem" is solved so tidily, every person who disses the guy comes to value his work (through having someone they know die, all in the span of about six months), every "awwww" moment is given ham-handed expository set-up roughly 30 minutes in advance, like it's on a timer... It was one step up from Hallmark Channel TV movies. It was all right as pass-the-time entertainment, but worthy of winning prizes? No. (Just to be clear, before someone leaps to tell me that I just don't "get" how taboo death is in the culture -- my complaints are with the film's structure and lack of depth, not its choice of topic -- I think a great Japanese movie -- or several great ones -- could be made working with that setting or topic -- comedy or drama -- but Okuribito is just shallowwwwwwwww.)

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Post by Thorkell » March 21st, 2013, 8:23 pm

Regarding Cimarron. I have not seen any of the other nominated films that year so I wonder if it was the best pick of the 5 nominated. None of them gets great reviews on IMDb and all of the have few votes:
East Lynne 6.9/10 with 44 votes
The Front Page 6.9/10 with 921 votes
Skippy 6.3/10 with 267 votes
Trader Horn with 6.5/10 249 votes.

And if we look at iCM then we see that none of them are on any other list there than the nomination list. Not promising. Has anyone here seen there other 4 nominated films?

But look at the films that where NOT nominated:
City Lights (1931)
Frankenstein (1931)
Tabu: A Story of the South Seas (1931)
Street Scene (1931)
Safe in Hell (1931)

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Post by Kasparius » March 21st, 2013, 8:35 pm

Yeah, the films that were nominated and didn't win are baffling, but what is more baffling are the films that weren't even nominated.

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