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Worst film to win an Oscar as best picture?

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Post by Kasparius » March 21st, 2013, 8:44 pm

Worst Foreign Wins, from the ones I saw (44 out of 65)


- Cinema Paradiso: Of all the highly acclaimed films, this might be the one I hate the most. Tornatore movies are my idea of hell.
- Belle Époque: Nearly unwatchable, one of the funniest scene in The Fighter is when Wahlberg and Adams come out of that movie and they both hated it.
- Un homme et une femme: Utter fluff, like every Lelouch film.
- Samourai I: Myamoto Musashi (not horrendous, just mediocre)
- Closely Watched Trains. I know people like this one a lot, but I really disliked it.
- War and Peace: terribly bloated film, the battle scenes are good, but that's about it.
- Mar Adentro
- Departures
- The Secret in Their Eyes

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Post by funkybusiness » March 21st, 2013, 8:46 pm

Kasparius on Mar 21 2013, 02:44:41 PM wrote:- Cinema Paradiso: Of all the highly acclaimed films, this might be the one I hate the most. Tornatore movies are my idea of hell.
THIS! Absolutely the worst I've seen by quite a bit.

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Post by Kasparius » March 21st, 2013, 8:47 pm

funkybusiness on Mar 21 2013, 02:46:33 PM wrote:
Kasparius on Mar 21 2013, 02:44:41 PM wrote:- Cinema Paradiso: Of all the highly acclaimed films, this might be the one I hate the most. Tornatore movies are my idea of hell.
THIS! Absolutely the worst I've seen by quite a bit.
Don't ever watch The Legend of 1900, it's just as bad.

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Post by funkybusiness » March 21st, 2013, 8:50 pm

Kasparius on Mar 21 2013, 02:47:45 PM wrote:
funkybusiness on Mar 21 2013, 02:46:33 PM wrote:
Kasparius on Mar 21 2013, 02:44:41 PM wrote:- Cinema Paradiso: Of all the highly acclaimed films, this might be the one I hate the most. Tornatore movies are my idea of hell.
THIS! Absolutely the worst I've seen by quite a bit.
Don't ever watch The Legend of 1900, it's just as bad.
I wasn't planning on watching any other Tornatore movies after Cinema Paradiso. I was boiling with rage while watching that.

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Post by Kasparius » March 21st, 2013, 8:51 pm

funkybusiness on Mar 21 2013, 02:50:00 PM wrote:
Kasparius on Mar 21 2013, 02:47:45 PM wrote:
funkybusiness on Mar 21 2013, 02:46:33 PM wrote:THIS! Absolutely the worst I've seen by quite a bit.
Don't ever watch The Legend of 1900, it's just as bad.
I wasn't planning on watching any other Tornatore movies after Cinema Paradiso. I was boiling with rage while watching that.
Same here. The worst might be the scene where he returns to the village and everybody is calling him Maestro. I wanted to vomit...

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Post by St. Gloede » March 21st, 2013, 8:53 pm

mightysparks on Mar 21 2013, 08:06:48 AM wrote:
Chris M Turton on Mar 21 2013, 05:52:07 AM wrote:
mightysparks on Mar 21 2013, 03:01:13 AM wrote:Cimarron and Cavalcade. Patton and Hamlet are also pretty bad.
I haven't seen it but what didn't you like about Hamlet?
Everything. :P
Part of it is the laughable casting of having a woman much, much younger than Olivier play his mother, Olivier also appear extremely unfit and unbelievable in regard to the role, regardless of skills he brings forth. Just doesn't look or feel right at all. That said, I wouldn't call it directly bad. But it's certainly one of the weakest winners in my opinion.

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Post by funkybusiness » March 21st, 2013, 8:59 pm

Kasparius on Mar 21 2013, 02:51:06 PM wrote:
funkybusiness on Mar 21 2013, 02:50:00 PM wrote:
Kasparius on Mar 21 2013, 02:47:45 PM wrote:Don't ever watch The Legend of 1900, it's just as bad.
I wasn't planning on watching any other Tornatore movies after Cinema Paradiso. I was boiling with rage while watching that.
Same here. The worst might be the scene where he returns to the village and everybody is calling him Maestro. I wanted to vomit...
I would start to wonder if Cinema Paradiso was a brilliant Andy Kaufmanesque joke if not for the fact that he continued to make movies like it.

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Post by AdamH » March 21st, 2013, 9:10 pm

Still have 25 to see but my worst foreign winner:

Mon Oncle. I really, really don't get it.

Second worst is Belle Epoque. I found it pretty annoying.

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Post by St. Gloede » March 21st, 2013, 9:14 pm

burneyfan on Mar 21 2013, 02:21:00 PM wrote:Anyone care to hazard the worst winner of the foreign-language film Oscar?

I'd have to actually look at the list of winners, but I just saw Okuribito a few days ago, and I've been disgusted (though maybe I shouldn't be surprised) that it won in its year.

It's a good idea with perfectly adequate cast, not a bad-looking film, but...every "major problem" is solved so tidily, every person who disses the guy comes to value his work (through having someone they know die, all in the span of about six months), every "awwww" moment is given ham-handed expository set-up roughly 30 minutes in advance, like it's on a timer... It was one step up from Hallmark Channel TV movies. It was all right as pass-the-time entertainment, but worthy of winning prizes? No. (Just to be clear, before someone leaps to tell me that I just don't "get" how taboo death is in the culture -- my complaints are with the film's structure and lack of depth, not its choice of topic -- I think a great Japanese movie -- or several great ones -- could be made working with that setting or topic -- comedy or drama -- but Okuribito is just shallowwwwwwwww.)

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I watched it yesterday, and I actually liked it a lot, but I agree with all your complaints and can't really see how anyone would consider it great. It's characters are just way too thin, and it could definitely be described as shallow.

Only seen 44 out of 65 BFP winners so I don't feel quite qualified, but the weakest I've seen are probably Closely Watched Trains and Black and White in Color, both "good enough" films really.

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Post by brokenface » March 21st, 2013, 9:15 pm

Kolya & Indochine spring to mind. Neither terrible just very unremarkable.

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Post by St. Gloede » March 21st, 2013, 9:18 pm

Thorkell on Mar 21 2013, 02:23:57 PM wrote:Regarding Cimarron. I have not seen any of the other nominated films that year so I wonder if it was the best pick of the 5 nominated. None of them gets great reviews on IMDb and all of the have few votes:
East Lynne 6.9/10 with 44 votes
The Front Page 6.9/10 with 921 votes
Skippy 6.3/10 with 267 votes
Trader Horn with 6.5/10 249 votes.

And if we look at iCM then we see that none of them are on any other list there than the nomination list. Not promising. Has anyone here seen there other 4 nominated films?

But look at the films that where NOT nominated:
City Lights (1931)
Frankenstein (1931)
Tabu: A Story of the South Seas (1931)
Street Scene (1931)
Safe in Hell (1931)
I shockingly haven't seen any of those either. The Front Page is the first filmed version of His Girl Friday (and Wilder's The Front Page) though. I bet it has some good qualities.

Had really forgotten the terrible line-up, and '31 might be the best year of the 30s film wise making it even worse.

Edit: And I've apparantly seen all the 8 noms from '32, that says even more about the '31 line-up.
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Post by EssexMutant » March 21st, 2013, 9:26 pm

Only dislikes so far are Titanic and Terms of Endearment. I do a think a lot of stuff that wins award can be very average, although I'll happily watch the new nominees each year.

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Post by burneyfan » March 21st, 2013, 9:29 pm

OK, now I've actually looked at the foreign list (45 / 65), and while there are definitely some unremarkable pictures (most of my least favorites already named by others), I'd say for me, it's a toss-up between Cinema Paradiso and STILL Okuribito.

(I also agree with Crinderman that Noirs et blancs en couleur is one that doesn't deserve to be on there, despite being a decent film.)

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Post by AdamH » March 21st, 2013, 9:33 pm

On a side-note, icm is absolutely awful to use on a mobile. Was trying to see all the best picture winners but the 'show more than 50 films' button is hard to get to work. Other things make the site extremely difficult to navigate too.

So, I'll just say Crash as the worst winner.

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » March 21st, 2013, 9:51 pm

ArthurYanthar on Mar 21 2013, 01:24:09 PM wrote:All of this talk is making me wanna watch Cimarron.
Omg Richard Dix's performance. I was even getting a Bruce Campbell kind of vibe from him at times. What a terrible film.
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Post by sheikofhyrule » March 21st, 2013, 9:57 pm

I have seen them all and since I do have quite a few 4's, I will limit it to my 1's and 2's.

1) The Greatest Show on Earth 1/10
2) How Green Was My Valley 1/10
3) Braveheart 1/10
4) The Broadway Melody 2/10
5) Forrest Gump 2/10
6) Around the World in 80 Days 2/10
7) The French Connection 2/10

My 4's in no particular order since I do not feel like ranking them, I am surprised I have no 3's or 5's:
The Great Ziegfeld, Going My Way, An American in Paris, Titanic, Rocky, The Deer Hunter, Gandhi, Shakespeare in Love and Out of Africa.

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Post by Kasparius » March 21st, 2013, 10:03 pm

How Green and French Connection, 1 and 2's? Yeah Sheik is now the biggest hater on the forum, Mighty can step aside.

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Post by brokenface » March 21st, 2013, 10:06 pm

2/10 for The French Connection?!

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Post by funkybusiness » March 21st, 2013, 10:06 pm

How Green Was My Valley beat out Citizen Kane at the Oscars that year, and deservedly so. :whistling: *runs and hides*

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Post by sheikofhyrule » March 21st, 2013, 10:07 pm

Thorkell on Mar 21 2013, 02:23:57 PM wrote:Regarding Cimarron. I have not seen any of the other nominated films that year so I wonder if it was the best pick of the 5 nominated. None of them gets great reviews on IMDb and all of the have few votes:
East Lynne 6.9/10 with 44 votes
The Front Page 6.9/10 with 921 votes
Skippy 6.3/10 with 267 votes
Trader Horn with 6.5/10 249 votes.

And if we look at iCM then we see that none of them are on any other list there than the nomination list. Not promising. Has anyone here seen there other 4 nominated films?

But look at the films that where NOT nominated:
City Lights (1931)
Frankenstein (1931)
Tabu: A Story of the South Seas (1931)
Street Scene (1931)
Safe in Hell (1931)
I have seen all of these except East Lynne because it is only available at UCLA.

Cimarron 6/10 and the one I would still go with. I am not a huge fan of westerns and I have watched this film twice because it was a long gap between the watchings and I could not remember much of it.

Skippy 6/10, but you would really have to like kid actors and dogs because the story is about Skippy helping his friend in a shantytown help save his dog.

The Front Page 4/10 I do not remember a thing about it at this point, but I know I liked My Girl Friday better.

Trader Horn 4/10 I do not remember a lot about this particular movie, but it had to do with an African safari and I have watched a few of these from the 1930s and they all tend to blend together.

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Post by Kasparius » March 21st, 2013, 10:10 pm

funkybusiness on Mar 21 2013, 04:06:18 PM wrote:How Green Was My Valley beat out Citizen Kane at the Oscars that year, and deservedly so. :whistling: *runs and hides*
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Post by sheikofhyrule » March 21st, 2013, 10:16 pm

Kasparius on Mar 21 2013, 04:03:24 PM wrote:How Green and French Connection, 1 and 2's? Yeah Sheik is now the biggest hater on the forum, Mighty can step aside.
I am doing pretty bad for a hater since I only rated 16/86 below a 6/10.

How Green Was My Valley is partly to do with my parents loving it, making the kids watching it and all the kids hating it. At this point many years later all I remember is everything being over the top emotional in the movie.

The French Connection, I know people love it, but I really did not like it and I even tried watching it again, but did not make it halfway through because all I could think of was how much I did not like it.

Of course on the flip side, unlike many people here I love Crash (10/10) and liked Cavalcade (6/10) Cimarron (6/10).

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » March 21st, 2013, 10:48 pm

Thorkell on Mar 21 2013, 02:23:57 PM wrote:Regarding Cimarron. I have not seen any of the other nominated films that year so I wonder if it was the best pick of the 5 nominated. None of them gets great reviews on IMDb and all of the have few votes:
East Lynne 6.9/10 with 44 votes
The Front Page 6.9/10 with 921 votes
Skippy 6.3/10 with 267 votes
Trader Horn with 6.5/10 249 votes.

And if we look at iCM then we see that none of them are on any other list there than the nomination list. Not promising. Has anyone here seen there other 4 nominated films?

But look at the films that where NOT nominated:
City Lights (1931)
Frankenstein (1931)
Tabu: A Story of the South Seas (1931)
Street Scene (1931)
Safe in Hell (1931)
Amazing list (of overlooked films).

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Post by Cippenham » March 21st, 2013, 10:52 pm

sheikofhyrule on Mar 21 2013, 03:57:35 PM wrote:I have seen them all and since I do have quite a few 4's, I will limit it to my 1's and 2's.

1) The Greatest Show on Earth 1/10
2) How Green Was My Valley 1/10
3) Braveheart 1/10
4) The Broadway Melody 2/10
5) Forrest Gump 2/10
6) Around the World in 80 Days 2/10
7) The French Connection 2/10

My 4's in no particular order since I do not feel like ranking them, I am surprised I have no 3's or 5's:
The Great Ziegfeld, Going My Way, An American in Paris, Titanic, Rocky, The Deer Hunter, Gandhi, Shakespeare in Love and Out of Africa.
Braveheart is of course the worst, and Forrest Gump the best of those listed here,,Forrest Gump is of course a great film.
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Post by HVM » March 21st, 2013, 11:11 pm

Cippenham on Mar 21 2013, 04:52:58 PM wrote:
sheikofhyrule on Mar 21 2013, 03:57:35 PM wrote:I have seen them all and since I do have quite a few 4's, I will limit it to my 1's and 2's.

1) The Greatest Show on Earth 1/10
2) How Green Was My Valley 1/10
3) Braveheart 1/10
4) The Broadway Melody 2/10
5) Forrest Gump 2/10
6) Around the World in 80 Days 2/10
7) The French Connection 2/10

My 4's in no particular order since I do not feel like ranking them, I am surprised I have no 3's or 5's:
The Great Ziegfeld, Going My Way, An American in Paris, Titanic, Rocky, The Deer Hunter, Gandhi, Shakespeare in Love and Out of Africa.
Braveheart is of course the worst, and Forrest Gump the best of those listed here,,Forrest Gump is of course a great film.
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Post by Knaldskalle » March 21st, 2013, 11:36 pm

VincentPrice on Mar 21 2013, 12:32:31 PM wrote:Oh god, I forgot to include Gump, I haaaaate that stupid stupid stupid movie. (except Sinise, he is great)
This. By far the worst I've seen.
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Post by kingink » March 21st, 2013, 11:39 pm

From the whole foreign award winning list the only film I dislike is Crouching tiger. I have rated some films like Belle Époque with a 6 but I don't dislike them. I only dislike Crouching tiger. Have I mentioned that I dislike Crouching tiger? I'm not sure I have. I dislike it.



Edit: Last year I watched some Forrest Gump fragments on TV and I was shocked! It seemed really bad, so I think that probably if I find the courage to watch again I'll hate it but I won't because I love cinema and I don't want to ruin my eyes
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » March 21st, 2013, 11:44 pm

intothewild on Mar 21 2013, 03:10:58 PM wrote:Still have 25 to see but my worst foreign winner:

Mon Oncle. I really, really don't get it.

Second worst is Belle Epoque. I found it pretty annoying.
I hate Mon Oncle and Amarcord and Babbete's Feast, and dislike some others like the aforementioned Cinema Paradiso, but none of those are worse winners than Volver a empezar. There are still a bunch I haven't seen, but I have a hard time believing any of them are worse than Volver a empezar.

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » March 21st, 2013, 11:51 pm

Kasparius on Mar 21 2013, 02:44:41 PM wrote:- Samourai I: Myamoto Musashi (not horrendous, just mediocre)
Yes.

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Post by Kasparius » March 22nd, 2013, 12:23 am

So Mann's Cimarron was definitely better, but not a very good film. Some of the scenes were really impressive and really brilliantly directed, but the film crumbles once Yancey leaves the first time around. The first part was really quite good though. I think many of the issues I have with the original film come from the source material itself, because I had a lot of the same ones here. Maria Schell is fantastic though, I really love her. She was beyond great in Gervaise. Glenn Ford was much better than Baxter.
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Post by frbrown » March 22nd, 2013, 12:23 am

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Mar 21 2013, 05:51:44 PM wrote:
Kasparius on Mar 21 2013, 02:44:41 PM wrote:- Samourai I: Myamoto Musashi (not horrendous, just mediocre)
Yes.
I like it a lot, and the two sequels as well.
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Post by CMT » March 22nd, 2013, 1:54 am

sheikofhyrule on Mar 21 2013, 04:07:11 PM wrote:Skippy 6/10, but you would really have to like kid actors and dogs because the story is about Skippy helping his friend in a shantytown help save his dog.
I thought it was about a kangaroo.

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Post by mightysparks » March 22nd, 2013, 1:55 am

burneyfan on Mar 21 2013, 02:21:00 PM wrote:Anyone care to hazard the worst winner of the foreign-language film Oscar?
I've finished the list and the worst one was Mon Oncle.
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Post by Kasparius » March 22nd, 2013, 1:58 am

Anybody who thinks Mon oncle is the worst film on that list needs to have their heads examined. (All offense caused by this sentence is deeply calculated.)

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » March 22nd, 2013, 2:02 am

I've only seen 26 films from it, but here are my dislikes:

1. Nuovo Cinema Paradiso (3/10)
2. La strada (4/10)
3. Karakter (4/10)
4. Le notti di Cabiria (4/10)

Mon oncle isn't that good, I gave that 5/10 but it's certainly not a bad film.
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Post by AdamH » March 22nd, 2013, 2:02 am

Mon Oncle is the worst one.

I should probably avoid foreign comedies.
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Post by mightysparks » March 22nd, 2013, 2:05 am

It reminds me of those kinds of comedies where people walk into a pole 300 times and fall over 300 times and each time is meant to be hilarious. I found it painful.
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Post by AdamH » March 22nd, 2013, 2:07 am

Sums up my thoughts. I don't get what I'm missing from these comedies.

Others like the eastern euro ones are painful too but some people love them. Can't understand it.

Not sure rewatches would help. Just can't understand how people laugh at these films. I'm not missing the jokes either.

I might do an intothewild's day of comedy pain poll and give them a second chance.
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Post by Kasparius » March 22nd, 2013, 2:10 am

This proves once again that comedies is the most problematic genre when it comes to any kind of consensus. But even if people don't find Mon oncle funny, I don't see how it's possible to ignore his inventive mise en scène and sense of composition. This alone places it high and above a good third of the list.

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Post by mightysparks » March 22nd, 2013, 2:12 am

It looks nice, but that's not enough for me to enjoy a film. Especially if at the same time it's causing me pain :P But it's what saves it from getting a 1 or 2.
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