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01. The Music Room (1958) - 9/10

02. The World of Apu (1959 - 8/10
03. Pather Panchali (1955) - 8/10
04. The Goddess (1960) - 8/10
05. The Lonely Wife (1964) - 8/10

06. The Chess Players (1977) - 7/10
07. The Unvanquished (1956) - 7/10
08. The Stranger (1991) - 7/10
09. Distant Thunder (1973) - 7/10
10. The Hero (1966) - 7/10
11. The Home and the World (1984) - 7/10
12. The Coward (1965) - 7/10
13. The Big City (1963) - 7/10
14. The Holy Man (1965) - 7/10
15. Rabindranath Tagore (1961) - 7/10

16. An Enemy of the People (1989) - 6/10
17. The Adventures of Goopy and Bagha (1969) - 6/10

18. Days and Nights in the Forest (1970) - 4/10

Only seen 18 plus one short (Two (1965)).
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Satyajit Ray

1. Devi a.k.a. The Goddess 9/10
2. The Apu Trilogy 8/10 (but Pather Panchali is my favourite of the three, by far)
3. Nayak a.k.a. The Hero 7/10
4. Mahanagar a.k.a. The Big City 7/10
5. Jalsaghar a.k.a. The Music Room 7/10
6. Agantuk a.k.a. The Stranger 6.5/10
7. Ganashatru a.k.a. An Enemy of the People 6.5/10
8. Shatranj Ke Khilari a.k.a. The Chess Players 6/10
9. Kapurush a.k.a. The Coward 5/10
10. Aranyer Din Ratri a.k.a. Days and Nights in the Forest 4/10
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I can't say Ray is one of my favorite filmmakers. Some of his films seem to wallow in misery more than I prefer, and some of his films just don't engage me that well. Having said that, I'd probably group them into a few buckets:

Good:
The Music Room
The Stranger
The Coward
The Big City
Two (short)

OK:
Apu Trilogy
The Chess Players
The Home and the World
Goopy Gyne Bagha Byne
Enemy of the People

Not A Fan:
Days and Nights in the Forest
The Unvanquished
Charulata

There are still several significant ones I haven't seen yet like Devi and Distant Thunder.
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Satyajit Ray
Seen: 10, average rating: 8.4

Definitely one of the masters of cinema to me.

1. Aparajito (1956): 9.0
2. Pather Panchali (1955): 9.0
3. Mahanagar [The Big City] (1963): 8.8
4. Apur Sansar [The World of Apu] (1959): 8.8
5. Kapurush [The Coward](1965): 8.5
6. Charulata (1964): 8.2
7. Jalsaghar [The Music Room] (1958): 8.0
8. Agantuk [The Stranger] (1991):8.0
9. Mahapurush [The Holy Man] (1965): 7.8
10. Nayak [The Hero](1966): 7.5
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Satyajit Ray

I'd like to rewatch 'Charulata', but other than that, this is pretty accurate.

Great
1. Kanchenjungha (1962)
2. Devi / The Goddess (1960)
3. Jalsaghar / The Music Room (1958)*
4. Ashani Sanket / Distant Thunder (1973)
5. Pratidwandi / The Adversary (1970)
6. Aranyer Din Ratri / Days and Nights in the Forest (1970)
7. Aparajito (1956)*

Very good
8. Pather Panchali (1955)*
9. Apur Sansar (1959)*
10. Seemabaddha / Company Limited (1971)
11. Kapurush / The Coward (1965)
12. Agantuk / The Stranger (1991)

Good to OK
13. Mahapurush / The Holy Man (1965)
14. Two (1965)
15. Mahanagar / The Big City (1963)
16. Charulata / The Lonely Wife (1964)*
17. Chiriyakhana / The Zoo (1967)
18. Nayak / The Hero (1966)
19. Abhijaan / The Expedition (1962)


I've added the seen in cinema thing, like a few others do, indicated with a '*'.
previosly covered directors' films seen in the cinema
HHH
Dust in the Wind (1986)
Flowers of Shanghai (1998)
A Time to Live and a Time to Die (1985)
A City of Sadness (1989)

Rivette
Out 1, noli me tangere (1971)

Hitchcock
Vertigo (1958)
Lifeboat (1944)
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Everything I've seen so far of Ray was wonderful, 8/10 (starred even); too bad I never made it further than the trilogy and Charulata + Jalsaghar so far :/
At least there's still enough left to see for me one day ..

Traveller wrote: May 5th, 2021, 2:46 pm Only seen 18 plus one short (Two (1965)).
Humblebrag, huh? :D Around 20 features seen should make one kind of knowledgeable really about any director.
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Torgo wrote: May 6th, 2021, 12:32 pm Everything I've seen so far of Ray was wonderful, 8/10 (starred even); too bad I never made it further than the trilogy and Charulata + Jalsaghar so far :/
At least there's still enough left to see for me one day ..

Traveller wrote: May 5th, 2021, 2:46 pm Only seen 18 plus one short (Two (1965)).
Humblebrag, huh? :D Around 20 features seen should make one kind of knowledgeable really about any director.
Even this guy?
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PTA mafia has to bring Paul Thomas really into any thread ..


.. jokes aside, yep, even for very prolific and important directors such as Godard, Bergman, Hitchcock or Ozu I'd say someone will have an idea about their filmmaking after 18 feature films. For directors with maybe 30 feature films in their pocket altogether more so.
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Torgo wrote: May 6th, 2021, 12:32 pm
Traveller wrote: May 5th, 2021, 2:46 pm Only seen 18 plus one short (Two (1965)).
Humblebrag, huh? :D Around 20 features seen should make one kind of knowledgeable really about any director.
No, I mean it - it's but half of what he directed. Completionist and such.
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After a delay of a few days, finally watched Jalsaghar last night. I'm not firm in it's rating yet, so it's placement is approximate. I both pitied and despised the main character, which is a new sensation for me.

1. 8.4 - Agantuk [The Stranger] (1991)
2. 8.0 - Mahanagar [The Big City] (1963)
3. 7.8 - Apur Sansar [The World of Apu] (1959)
4. 7.8 - Charulata [The Lonely Wife] (1964)
5. 7.5-8ish - Jalsaghar [The Music Room] (1958)
6. 7.6 - Aparajito [The Unvanquished] (1956)
7. 7.4 - Pather Panchali [Song of the Little Road] (1955)

Short - 7.8 - Two (1965)

I am in the minority here in that my introduction to Indian cinema was Bollywood, not Ray. My housemate and I rented Kal Ho Naa Ho (2003) from a local Indian video store in Madrid. I don't remember why we picked that one, but I think we were both vaguely familiar with it because of one or two songs from the film that we knew. That was in 2010. 2014 brought about Deepa Mehta's Fire (1996), then Rat-Trap (1982) and Donkey in a Brahmin Village (1978) (both because of the forum), and 2015 finally ushered in Pather Panchali, borrowed from the library. I wasn't too taken by it, though, and it was another two years before I got around to the rest of the trilogy. I like Ray's films for the most part, but it's really only his swan song that I love. I've since discovered a lot more about Indian cinema thanks to some South Asian colleagues and Mubi, and I'll continue to explore Ray at a leisurely pace, but I don't know how I'll respond to his other films.
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I also watched Bollywood before Ray. In the mid 90's i was fond of a few Madhuri Dixit films bought at a local market. Stalls with Indian vhs bootlegs were to be found at that time in certain places... so first it is all about availability, later comes the critical exploration. I notice since the time of torrenting and other Internet resources, both content and information, that younger cinephiles are more inclined to jump straight into the latter part... not sure if i'm jealous or not, but i still look back fondly to the times of vhs renting and bootleg buying :)
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The first movie from India I saw was Bandit Queen in my local theater, so I was rather late (+/- 1995) with exploring Indian Cinema. I can't think of any title I watched ealier. On the IFFR in 1996 I watched Bombay by Mani Ratnam and I think Pather Panchali was not long after that, but the circumstances where quite different. I was visiting London and the British Film Institute was hosting a Satyajit Ray retrospective that week. I bought a ticket for the opening screening of that program, which obviously was Pather Panchali, two days in advance (lucky me). On the evening of the 'premiere' the large screening room of the institute on the Southbank was packed with Indian families - you get the picture. The atmosphere was electrifying and I was completely absorbed in it. It may have (no, I am sure it has) coloured my rating, but it is one of the examples of Silver Screen-magic. Seeing most of his other works in the years to follow I am sure I would also have liked Pather Panchali as much would I've seen it at a later date or under different circumstances, since the style of Ray's storytelling is really one I like. But this event in London certainly was a 'once in a lifetime'-experience!
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Bollywood cinema (and commercial Telugu, Mahalayam etc) cinema is a mixed bag for me with outstanding movies like Veer-Zara, Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham... and Like Stars on Earth for example. But I disliked just as much of all Shah Rukh Khan en Aamir Khan movies I watched so far. I just completed a trilogy of Friday evening binging with Netflix/imdb Top 250 material last month with Drishyam, Dangal and Bãhubali. The latter was really fun!

I have now seen exactly 150 Indian movies. Almost half of them in the past year, thanks to MUBI with their extensive Indian theme (now ended). Discoveries of last year include Shyam Benegal, Mrinal Sen and Hrishikesh Mukherjee and confirmed the qualities of directors like Adoor Gopalakrishnan en Guru Dutt. But I still have a lot of catching up to do given that 150 titles is barely 1.1% of everything I've seen. Needless to say I will explore both the commercial and parallel cinema.

As mentioned before, my personal toplist on Indian cinema on iCM can be found here: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/a+pe ... ki+rokuro/
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Not a fan. It felt like an obligation to watch this.

1. Pather Panchali 5/10
2. Aparajito 5/10
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I'm on 129 features on MM (with a few not in their database yet too I think) and 167 total on Letterboxd (with only a small selection of shorts), and I am also still exploring and discovering a lot. For instance Gulzar (director and lyricist) just last month with two movies, and have about 20 to 30 more lined up for (hopefully) this year. Maybe something for a separate topic... although topics on Indian cinema on this forum have had such suggestively hateful titles before that I haven't even opened them... so maybe not ;)

Bãhubali is great! saw both parts in cinema, 1 at the Imagine film festival and 2 at my local multiplex
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Bãhubali: The Conclusion is sadly missing from Netflix so I added that title to my watchlist this morning. I saw two of Gulzar's movies on MUBI last year: Mere Apne (1971) and Koshish (1972).
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Y U M E wrote: May 8th, 2021, 10:39 am Bãhubali: The Conclusion is sadly missing from Netflix so I added that title to my watchlist this morning. I saw two of Gulzar's movies on MUBI last year: Mere Apne (1971) and Khoshish (1972).
you know where to get it ;)
I saw two different Gulzar movies... but then most of Mubi is passing me by... I watched one recommended in the DtC challenge and the other was an adaptation of Tagore's famous ghost story (also put on film by Ray in Three Daughters, it is missing from the Two Daughters version) because I am watching a lot of Tagore movies this month.
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I've seen all of Satyajit Ray's films so I need to join this centenary celebration.

Most people will come to him via Apu trilogy and his famous 60s films like The Music Room, The Goddess and The Lonely Wife. I strongly recommend people who haven't to explore his 1970s work which has some of his strongest but sometimes overlooked films, and shows his breadth with things like the more modernist Calcutta trilogy (Adversary/Middleman/Company Limited), his Feluda detective films as well as bonafide classics like Days & Nights in the Forest, Distant Thunder and The Chess Players. Problem is some of them still badly in need of good restorations. Hopefully there's some in the works for his centenary (anyone heard any news?). though I still haven't picked up that lovely Criterion Apu box.

9+
Aranyer Din Ratri/Days and Nights in the Forest (1970)
Pratidwani/The Adversary (1970)
Devi/The Goddess (1960)
Jalsaghar/The Music Room (1958)
Abhijan/The Expedition (1962)
Apur Sansar/The World of Apu (1959)

8+
Pikoor Diary (short) (1981)
Two (short) (1981)
Pathar Panchali (1955)
Aparajito (1956)
Mahanagar/The Big City (1963)
Shatranj Ke Khilari/The Chess Players (1977)
The Inner Eye (doc) (1981)
Kanchenjungha (1962)
Ashani Sanket/Distant Thunder (1973)
Charulata/The Lonely Wife (1964)

7+
Ganashatru/An Enemy of the People (1989)
Agantuk/The Stranger (1991)
Sadgati/Deliverance (1981)
Sonar Kellar/The Golden Fortress (1974)
Joi Baba Felunath/The Elephant God (1979)
Jana Aranyar/The Middleman (1975)
Mahapurush/The Holy Man (1965)
Goopy Gyne Bagha Byne (1969)
Rabindranath Tagore (doc) (1961)
Sukumar Ray (doc) (1987)
Seemabaddha/Company Limited (1971)
Teen Kanya/Three Daughters (1961)
Nayak/The Hero (1966)
Kapurush/The Coward (1965)
Heerak Rajar Deshe/The Kingdom of Diamonds (1980)

6+
Ghare-Baire/The Home & the World (1984)
Sakha Proshkha/Branches of the Tree (1990)
Sikkim (doc) (1981)
Bala (doc) (1981)

5+
Paresh Pathar/The Philosopher's Stone (1958)
Chiriyakhana/The Zoo (1967)
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brokenface wrote: May 8th, 2021, 12:50 pm I've seen all of Satyajit Ray's films so I need to join this centenary celebration.

Most people will come to him via Apu trilogy and his famous 60s films like The Music Room, The Goddess and The Lonely Wife. I strongly recommend people who haven't to explore his 1970s work which has some of his strongest but sometimes overlooked films, and shows his breadth with things like the more modernist Calcutta trilogy (Adversary/Middleman/Company Limited), his Feluda detective films as well as bonafide classics like Days & Nights in the Forest, Distant Thunder and The Chess Players. Problem is some of them still badly in need of good restorations. Hopefully there's some in the works for his centenary (anyone heard any news?). though I still haven't picked up that lovely Criterion Apu box.

9+
Aranyer Din Ratri/Days and Nights in the Forest (1970)
Pratidwani/The Adversary (1970)
Devi/The Goddess (1960)
Jalsaghar/The Music Room (1958)
Abhijan/The Expedition (1962)
Apur Sansar/The World of Apu (1959)

8+
Pikoor Diary (short) (1981)
Two (short) (1981)
Pathar Panchali (1955)
Aparajito (1956)
Mahanagar/The Big City (1963)
Shatranj Ke Khilari/The Chess Players (1977)
The Inner Eye (doc) (1981)
Kanchenjungha (1962)
Ashani Sanket/Distant Thunder (1973)
Charulata/The Lonely Wife (1964)

7+
Ganashatru/An Enemy of the People (1989)
Agantuk/The Stranger (1991)
Sadgati/Deliverance (1981)
Sonar Kellar/The Golden Fortress (1974)
Joi Baba Felunath/The Elephant God (1979)
Jana Aranyar/The Middleman (1975)
Mahapurush/The Holy Man (1965)
Goopy Gyne Bagha Byne (1969)
Rabindranath Tagore (doc) (1961)
Sukumar Ray (doc) (1987)
Seemabaddha/Company Limited (1971)
Teen Kanya/Three Daughters (1961)
Nayak/The Hero (1966)
Kapurush/The Coward (1965)
Heerak Rajar Deshe/The Kingdom of Diamonds (1980)

6+
Ghare-Baire/The Home & the World (1984)
Sakha Proshkha/Branches of the Tree (1990)
Sikkim (doc) (1981)
Bala (doc) (1981)

5+
Paresh Pathar/The Philosopher's Stone (1958)
Chiriyakhana/The Zoo (1967)
Thanks, bf, for a "comprehensive take." I agree that Ray's best films from the 70's stand with the best he has done, and I look forward to seeing a few more from that period.

While the Apu Trilogy was my entre into his work, I still remember seeing Days and Nights in the Forest in a theater, and the standing ovation it received when it ended. I also feel fortunate to have attended a lifetime achievement award tribute at the SF International back in the late 80's or early 90's, which was received by one of his favorite actresses (Sharmila Tagore) in his stead.
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I always like Satiajit Ray's films to some degree, but I haven't seen his lesser known work.

1. Mahanagar (1963) 8/10 FAV
2. Jalsaghar (1958) 8/10 FAV
3. Aranyer Din Ratri (1970) 7/10 FAV
4. Nayak (1966) 7/10
5. Devi (1960) 7/10
6. Charulata (1964) 7/10
7. Agantuk (1991) 7/10
8. Apur Sansar (1959) 7/10
9. Ghare-Baire (1984) 6/10
10. Kanchenjungha (1962) 6/10
11. Pather Panchali (1955) 6/10
12. Aparajito (1956) 6/10
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I think we saw the last of the Ray lists yesterday. Very interesting. A lot of love for the Apu trilogy as expected, but a lot of varied reactions and loads of people who saw quite a lot!

Time for another! Kira Muratova https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0613645/
Now this is in my opinion a truly GREAT director. Very much under-seen, so I fear the responses here ;) But it can't hurt to spread the word and some love... Thanks to an amazing retrospective at the IFFR I was able to catch most of these in cinema too. Another example of why festivals are important

- I remember her swansong more fondly than I seem to have rated it, maybe because is quintessential Muratova with constantly repeated sequences and wordplay.
- I think it is no accident that she did her best work in the glasnost period, she is at her most transgressive there
- I rounded a lot of my 4-star ratings upwards toward an 8.5 on a scale out of 10... I guess that is because a Muratova movie is always so special and unique!

1 - Astenicheskiy sindrom  - 1989 - The Asthenic Syndrome - 10 - 5
2 - Peremena uchasti  - 1987 - Change of Fate - 9,5 - 5
3 - Poznavaya belyy svet  - 1978 - Getting to Know the Big, Wide World - 8,5 - 4
4 - Vtorostepennye lyudi  - 2001 - Minor People - 8,5 - 4
5 - Tri istorii  - 1997 - Three Stories - 8,5 - 4
6 - Chekhovskie motivy  - 2002 - Chekhov's Motifs - 8,5 - 4
7 - Chuvstvitelnyy militsioner  - 1992 - The Sentimental Policeman - 8 - 4
8 - Dolgie provody  - 1971 - The Long Farewell - 8 - 4
9 - Korotkie vstrechi  - 1967 - Brief Encounters - 8 - 4
10 - Dva v odnom  - 2007 - Two in One - 8 - 4
11 - Melodiya dlya sharmanki  - 2009 - Melody for a Street-organ - 7,5 - 4
12 - Vechnoe vozvrashchenie  - 2012 - Eternal Return - 7,5 - 3,5
13 - Uvlecheniya  - 1994 - Passions - 7,5 - 3,5
14 - Nastroyshchik  - 2004 - The Tuner - 7,5 - 3,5
15 - U krutogo yara  - 1961 - By the Steep Ravine - 6,5 - 3

Two fiction features, one doc and three shorts yet to see!
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The Apu trilogy got less love than I was expecting. Glad to see I'm not the only one who didn't care for it nor thinks it's the high point of Ray's formidable body of work.

Beavis, you and I don't see eye to eye on Muratova, but that should hardly come as a surprise. :lol:

1. 6.8 - Dolgie provody [The Long Farewell] (1971)
2. 5.6 - Astenicheskiy sindrom [The Asthenic Syndrome] (1990)

The only nice thing I can say is that she hasn't earned a dislike from me yet, albeit barely (my threshold is 5.5/10). I may stumble upon one or two more of her films over time, but she is not a director I'm interested in seeking out. I do have Brief Encounters on hand, though, so maybe one day....

And it's funny (to me) that you consider each of her films special and unique - I can barely remember anything about the two I've seen, and one of them was just back in December (something about leaving her son?). I vaguely remember sepia tones and slow... everything. Different strokes for different folks. I'm glad you have a director whose work you adore so deeply. (l)
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I have a few :)
I don't think the fact that you don't engage with material like this and therefor not remember it well, would negate the fact that her style is very unique...
Her early work is more classic, but I guess none of it is stuff you'd fully love... sadly...
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★★★★¾ | 9.6
01. Мелодия для шарманки | Melody for a Street Organ (2009)
02. Долгие проводы | The Long Farewell (1971)

★★★★½ | 9.2
03. Астенический синдром | The Asthenic Syndrome (1989)

★★★★ | 8.4
04. Чеховские мотивы | Chekhov’s Motifs (2002)
05. Увлеченья | Passions (1994)

★★★¾ | 8.0
06. Вечное возвращение | Eternal Homecoming (2012)

★★★½ | 7.6
07. Короткие встречи | Brief Encounters (1967)

★★★¼ | 7.2
08. Настройщик | The Tuner (2004)
09. Два в одном | Two and One (2006)

★★★ | 6.8
10. Второстепенные люди | Second Class Citizens (2001)
11. Наш честный хлеб | Our Honest Bread (1964) co-dir. with Aleksandr Muratov

Especially interested to see Change of Fortune, Among Grey Stones and Three Stories some time. I won’t decline any other movie from Muratova though <_<

I also watched some of these at the Muratova-retrospective at IFFR. I realised it would not be easy, if not impossible, to see the ones I skipped ever again. But with all the other films a festival offers I chose to watch four (or was it five?) to not get an overkill and hope for the best…
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None for me I'm afraid.
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Короткие встречи | Brief Encounters (1967) 6

I watched in March for Directed by Women challenge and hardly remember any of it, not a good sign.
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Only seen 5 from Muratova, but she is clearly a strong director. My only worry is that the slow decline will continue:

Brief Encounters (1967) 9
The Long Farewell (1971) 8.5
Getting to Know the Big, Wide World (1980) 8
The Asthenic Syndrome (1989)
Change of Fate (1987) 7.5
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Never even heard the name :facepalm:

Yeah I'm an absolute pleb of cinema, sorry. Two of her films are present on 6 lists, The Asthenic Syndrome even on 1001BYD, will have to get a look at them some day. Thanks for the hint.
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Only seen one, which I didn't like at the time, but I might give it (and Muratova) another go some time.

The Asthenic Syndrome (1989)
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Just two

Astenicheskiy sindrom - a MASTERPIECE in dim memory; saw it during it's Chicago run in 1996, spurred on (as I often was) by a great Rosenbaum review

Chekhovskie motivy - EXCELLENT, but also seen quite a while ago, probably around 2006-7 on DVD

I have a bunch of her other films and she's on the endless list of people to get to...someday.
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Some of the most interesting filmmakers are underseen or disparaged because their films aren’t mainstream enough. Others just don’t have films that are very accessible.

like Yoshida, Muratova is a filmmaker I leaned about on this forum (probably from the 500<400 poll). unlike Yoshida, I haven’t been able to track down any of her films where I am living (no PFA in Beijing. No glasnost either).

She’s high on my list of filmmakers to seek out, especially as i have a real taste for post 70’s world cinema.
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Four of her films are released legally on dvd with English subs (that i know of and have in my collection)
This is turning out even worse than expected :)
Let me link to a Rosenbaum overview https://jonathanrosenbaum.net/2020/04/weird-and-wild/
(In which he calls her "most original" ;))
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beavis wrote: May 10th, 2021, 4:19 am Four of her films are released legally on dvd with English subs (that i know of and have in my collection)
This is turning out even worse than expected :)
Let me link to a Rosenbaum overview https://jonathanrosenbaum.net/2020/04/weird-and-wild/
(In which he calls her "most original" ;))
I have 3 of her most well-known on my watch list, but none are available on dvd in the U.S. (my list of unavailable films is close to 400, now, at least half because of the 500<400 poll). This is also true about the S. Ray films highest on my list to see.

If I ever make it back to the Bay Area, the PFA would be the best resource for these kinds films, and also offer me a chance to see them on the big screen.
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beavis wrote: May 10th, 2021, 4:19 am Four of her films are released legally on dvd with English subs (that i know of and have in my collection)
This is turning out even worse than expected :)
I think you are forgetting that you live in a bubble. All of us do in one way or another; I could ask for thoughts on Jon Jost or Mark Rappaport for instance, but I doubt many people have seen any films from either, and few will have seen, say, a dozen - though both have been around for decades, and each has several films that are fairly widely available. When it comes to these 3rd or 4th-tier figures (in terms of recognition, not quality, I hasten to add), the chance that you'll find a bunch of people here who have had the same focus you've had is slim.

That's not to say that it isn't worth continuing to bring up less-known names but you gotta keep your expectations very low.
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OldAle1 wrote: May 10th, 2021, 1:18 pm gotta keep your expectations low.
Let's make that the forum's tagline tehe
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OldAle1 wrote: May 10th, 2021, 1:18 pm When it comes to these 3rd or 4th-tier figures (in terms of recognition, not quality, I hasten to add) [...]
That's not to say that it isn't worth continuing to bring up less-known names but you gotta keep your expectations very low.
Both is true, I find these rather esoteric namedroppings as interesting as the 1st tier to look at for this specific thread.
Although - no front - Muratova looks like 4th tier to me ..
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I've seen three of Muratova's films and wasn't terribly blown away by any of them to be honest.
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I'm surprised so many people consider Muratova a relative unknown, I was under the impression that she is widely regarded as one of the most recognisable female directors AS WELL AS one of the most acclaimed from the Soviet Bloc.

I guess non-French female directors didn't become cool until the 2010s.
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Ivan0716 wrote: May 10th, 2021, 5:06 pm I'm surprised so many people consider Muratova a relative unknown, I was under the impression that she is widely regarded as one of the most recognisable female directors AS WELL AS one of the most acclaimed from the Soviet Bloc.

I guess non-French female directors didn't become cool until the 2010s.
Muratova is definitely not as well-known as someone like Lina Wertmuller (if we're looking at non-French female directors).
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Ivan0716 wrote: May 10th, 2021, 5:06 pm I'm surprised so many people consider Muratova a relative unknown, I was under the impression that she is widely regarded as one of the most recognisable female directors AS WELL AS one of the most acclaimed from the Soviet Bloc.

I guess non-French female directors didn't become cool until the 2010s.
It's all relative though isn't it? I mean I've known her name for 25+ years, but that's only because I once lived in a city with a critic who promoted her on multiple occasions - though only a couple of her films ever showed up in cinemas, and nothing at all was on video then. Back in the last days of video stores where I was living a decade ago, there was one film of hers on DVD, in a store that had a very good foreign section overall. Looking on Amazon right now there are a bunch of cheap DVD-r available but nothing that looks like a quality release. Nothing is on Prime or Netflix. I don't know about other streaming services.

Again, bubble. A lot of you guys live in really big European cities, or the couple of North American cities where these kinds of films and directors show up and where the general notion of arthouse cinema isn't something that only 1% of 1% of the population understands. So it may be that there is at least a bit more general appreciation for a lot of these names and you might think others would be aware of them as well or have seen them but really they are still under the radar unless they get a Criterion or Arrow or MOC release, or win some really big awards like the Palm d'or or Oscar. And even then the chance that a bunch of people here will have actually seen the films is still fairly low, because there's so much out there competing. And of course there's the official checks thing - she only has 3 official films. Combine all those factors and I'm actually surprised as many people know her and have seen a few films as this thread shows.
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