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Post by GruesomeTwosome » April 15th, 2019, 6:28 pm

maxwelldeux wrote:
April 15th, 2019, 6:22 pm
GruesomeTwosome wrote:
April 15th, 2019, 6:16 pm
maxwelldeux wrote:
April 15th, 2019, 6:01 pm
And Lee Ermey: https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/y ... -cemetery/
That was last year (on this date) that Ermey died.
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Hehe, it happens. :thumbsup:

Wasn't aware of that awful Notre Dame news until now. I hope the damage can be mitigated as much as possible, but from what I'm seeing on Twitter, it's not looking good. Damn...
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Post by allisoncm » April 15th, 2019, 7:49 pm

albajos wrote:
April 15th, 2019, 5:53 pm
Notre Dame (1163-2019)

Based on the images we see now, it's not much that can be saved
How terrible! (u)

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Post by albajos » April 15th, 2019, 7:56 pm

It has of course had it ups and downs since they finished building the original part in 1345. In the late 1700s it almost fell down by itself but was saved by Napoleon.

So you might ask how much are actually original of the building now 856 years later,, but now they would probably need to rebuild everything so it would basically become a 21st century church with 2 old towers at the entrance..

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Post by Armoreska » April 15th, 2019, 8:13 pm

Worst. Restoration. Ever.
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Post by Gershwin » April 15th, 2019, 8:29 pm

Must act quickly!

My God, this is really a very very sad thing. We've been watching some live streams throughout the evening, hoping it will get better. But it looks bad. Let's hope they can save the two towers at the entrance.
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Post by blocho » April 15th, 2019, 9:50 pm

Quasimodo's revenge.

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Post by maxwelldeux » April 15th, 2019, 10:20 pm

Gershwin wrote:
April 15th, 2019, 8:29 pm
Must act quickly!

My God, this is really a very very sad thing. We've been watching some live streams throughout the evening, hoping it will get better. But it looks bad. Let's hope they can save the two towers at the entrance.
Reports are that they can save the towers. https://a.msn.com/r/2/BBVXM4v

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Post by RBG » April 15th, 2019, 10:56 pm



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good to know. it was looking like total devastation. made me think of 9/11



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Post by RBG » April 16th, 2019, 12:19 am

and of course........



we'll await the final verdict from cipp. also...

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Post by blocho » April 16th, 2019, 1:08 am

Just a reality check. No one was hurt, right? I haven't heard about anyone being hurt. Maybe I've heard wrong. So it's unfortunate, but it's not a tragedy. Better a building than a single person. Also, the building didn't even burn down.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » April 16th, 2019, 1:20 am

blocho wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 1:08 am
Just a reality check. No one was hurt, right? I haven't heard about anyone being hurt. Maybe I've heard wrong. So it's unfortunate, but it's not a tragedy. Better a building than a single person. Also, the building didn't even burn down.
A firefighter was hurt, but no one who was there when it happened apparently.

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Post by Gershwin » April 16th, 2019, 8:03 am

blocho wrote:
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(...) Better a building than a single person.(...)
I'm not sure if I agree with that. I was thinking about this last night, and it occurred to me that maybe thousands of people devoted huge parts of their lives to building this church. A lot of that is suddenly completely gone. Isn't that a bigger loss, in a certain way, than the coincidental loss of the life of one single person? Is human life always, in every instance, more valuable than all the art and all the beauty in the world? It's a very slippery slope to answer this question with "yes", but I don't like any answer to this ethical dilemma.
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Post by albajos » April 16th, 2019, 8:12 am

It's the symbol value. Notre-Dame is ancient compared to the Eiffel Tower so it's basically Paris' identity. It's like destroying the pyramids of Egypt.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » April 16th, 2019, 8:15 am

Gershwin wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 8:03 am
blocho wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 1:08 am
(...) Better a building than a single person.(...)
I'm not sure if I agree with that. I was thinking about this last night, and it occurred to me that maybe thousands of people devoted huge parts of their lives to building this church. A lot of that is suddenly completely gone. Isn't that a bigger loss, in a certain way, than the coincidental loss of the life of one single person? Is human life always, in every instance, more valuable than all the art and all the beauty in the world? It's a very slippery slope to answer this question with "yes", but I don't like any answer to this ethical dilemma.
You should watch The Train for a film that has a very insistent answer to this question. One I disagree with despite the its efforts.

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Post by Gershwin » April 16th, 2019, 8:29 am

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 8:15 am
Gershwin wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 8:03 am
blocho wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 1:08 am
(...) Better a building than a single person.(...)
I'm not sure if I agree with that. I was thinking about this last night, and it occurred to me that maybe thousands of people devoted huge parts of their lives to building this church. A lot of that is suddenly completely gone. Isn't that a bigger loss, in a certain way, than the coincidental loss of the life of one single person? Is human life always, in every instance, more valuable than all the art and all the beauty in the world? It's a very slippery slope to answer this question with "yes", but I don't like any answer to this ethical dilemma.
You should watch The Train for a film that has a very insistent answer to this question. One I disagree with despite the its efforts.
Thanks for the rec. I will!
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Post by Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal » April 16th, 2019, 9:07 am

Gershwin wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 8:03 am
blocho wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 1:08 am
(...) Better a building than a single person.(...)
I'm not sure if I agree with that. I was thinking about this last night, and it occurred to me that maybe thousands of people devoted huge parts of their lives to building this church. A lot of that is suddenly completely gone. Isn't that a bigger loss, in a certain way, than the coincidental loss of the life of one single person? Is human life always, in every instance, more valuable than all the art and all the beauty in the world? It's a very slippery slope to answer this question with "yes", but I don't like any answer to this ethical dilemma.
Depends on the person. Therefore the question becomes:

At what point is a person worth more than the Cathedrall?

Or

At what point is a person worth less?

The Notre Dame Cathedral was 850 years old. It had a good run.
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Post by Armoreska » April 16th, 2019, 9:43 am

Depends on how much you like an average person. And cultural heritage symbols.
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Post by Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal » April 16th, 2019, 11:26 am

True. To put into cultural context for our American friends, they'd need to ask themselves how they'd feel if the Disney Castle burnt down sans fatalities.

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Post by RBG » April 16th, 2019, 12:23 pm

and what would be the australian equivalent. i personally wouldn't relate the disney castle to notre dame. that's absurd. but i know you're just trolling

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i hope at least some of the gargoyles made it out all right. i like them better than many people i can think of :hmph:

the 13th century rose window survived :worship:



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Post by Nathan Treadway » April 16th, 2019, 5:54 pm

I'm done. :ph43r: Honestly, I don't know how much further I could take it. I'll blame it on my twisted mind.

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Post by albajos » April 16th, 2019, 6:11 pm

Not as twisted as this

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Post by flaiky » April 16th, 2019, 6:57 pm

Oh wow, lol, this is wonderfully perverse. Paris is Burning isn't even anything to do with Paris. :D
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Post by Armoreska » April 16th, 2019, 7:26 pm

Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal wrote:
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True. To put into cultural context for our American friends, they'd need to ask themselves how they'd feel if the Disney Castle burnt down sans fatalities.
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Post by Knaldskalle » April 17th, 2019, 4:13 am

Armoreska wrote:
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True. To put into cultural context for our American friends, they'd need to ask themselves how they'd feel if the Disney Castle burnt down sans fatalities.
Empire State Building or White House
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Post by RBG » April 17th, 2019, 5:41 am

yeah we all love trump so much we'd be devastated
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Post by OldAle1 » April 20th, 2019, 4:27 am

Back on topic, he says morbidly...the science fiction / fantasy world just lost Gene Wolfe, conceivably the greatest prose stylist to ever write predominantly in the genre in English; certainly he had few equals that I encountered - Mervyn Peake is the only name that comes immediately to mind. He didn't exactly light the adaptation world on fire - there's only one IMDb listing, for a probably amateur film based on one of his short stories, but his magnum opus The Book of the New Sun has been talked about regularly as a potential film/tv series pretty much since in appeared in the early 80s. It might be my favorite SF/fantasy series (and it very much treads the line between genres) - it's competition is really only The Lord of the Rings and Gormenghast, and possibly Harry Potter if I'm including stuff aimed at the young 'uns. Wolfe's series is resolutely aimed at adults, and reasonably educated ones at that, as is most of his work. Refreshing in this juvenile-dominated aged.

That's Ursula K. LeGuin, Harlan Ellison and Wolfe all in the span of 16 months, arguably the three greatest American SF writers whose careers began in the 50s and continued into this decade - and there weren't many on the same level who predeceased them. I wasn't reading (or alive) then, but for whatever reason I always gravitated to older SF/fantasy when young and they've all kind of hit me hard, especially as I''m just now starting to read a little bit again and exhume myself from my decades of self-torture as a movie geek.

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Post by Knaldskalle » April 20th, 2019, 3:34 pm

:rip:

I thoroughly enjoyed The Book Of The New Sun, such a well-written series. I should read it again, it's been ages. I should probably read some of his other books, I just never got around to it.
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Post by OldAle1 » April 20th, 2019, 3:40 pm

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:rip:

I thoroughly enjoyed The Book Of The New Sun, such a well-written series. I should read it again, it's been ages. I should probably read some of his other books, I just never got around to it.
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As much as I love what I've read, I haven't read that much - just that series, twice, and one other novel, and some short stories. But I have nearly all of his work, from the days when I was getting into hardcore book collecting - also have much of LeGuin's work but haven't read that much. The collecting addiction is one I'll probably never overcome alas.

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Post by Knaldskalle » April 20th, 2019, 9:53 pm

tor.com has a nice eulogy as does The New York Times.
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Post by RedHawk10 » April 22nd, 2019, 5:21 am

Book of the New Sun is awesome! Sad news.

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » April 23rd, 2019, 1:00 am

Phil Solomon.

Last Days in a Lonely Place was flawed but a very interesting concept. I'll check out more of his work soon. However, he personally complained on KG for them to bring his work down.

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Post by maxwelldeux » April 28th, 2019, 9:10 pm

Jessie Lawrence Ferguson

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Post by Ebbywebby » April 28th, 2019, 9:59 pm

And John Singleton not far behind? :(

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Post by Nathan Treadway » April 28th, 2019, 10:22 pm

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And John Singleton not far behind? :(
Depends on who's story you believe. According to his mother, probably. According to his daughter, he'll probably be fine.

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Post by flaiky » April 29th, 2019, 10:29 pm

Sad news, he was only 51. Worth mentioning that he was the first black man ever nominated for Best Director at the Oscars, and also the youngest. RIP.
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Post by Nathan Treadway » April 29th, 2019, 10:35 pm

Ebbywebby wrote:
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna999466

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:rip: Well, I guess we know now.

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