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500<400, Favourite 1001 movies, Doubling the Canon, Film World Cup and many other votes
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beasterne wrote: April 4th, 2021, 8:42 pm
Torgo wrote: April 4th, 2021, 8:38 pm
Tim2460 wrote: April 4th, 2021, 7:16 pm #200(⇩33, #167) Back to the Future (1985)
Directed by: Robert Zemeckis
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This used to be in our Top 50 in the first and still Top 100 in our second poll. :huh: [2]
Yeah, how could it fall so much? It should be Back to the top 100 in the Future B)
Older mainstream, popular films are probably more likely to fall away than older arthouse films, as the people who grew up with them leave the site and the demographic shifts forward. I'd imagine that in 2011 there were more people here for whom this film represents nostalgia and an early love than there are now - for me BTTF is a key bit of pop culture from the summer between my sophomore and junior years in college; for the average icmer today maybe the equivalent film is The Fellowship of the Ring or Inception.
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#193( – , #193) Inception (2010)
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Thanks for cueing in that film, OldAle. :lol: Priceless!
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tobias wrote: April 4th, 2021, 2:05 am I think the most circulated release (the Criterion DVD release) is genuinly that orange, yes. I remember the colourpalette being basically just tones of orange. To be a bit fair to Criterion perhaps, it's from back in 1999 and they did a Blu Ray refresh last year which looks entirely different. The Artifical Eye DVD is a lot better than the Criterion DVD, maybe also better than the Blu Ray in terms of "correct" white balance.

Here is the same shot from the Criterion Blu Ray transfer (which now features an orange teal contrast):

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Here is Artificial Eye's version which in some ways feels more right (I doubt the original film projection had that kind of contrast as in the Blu Ray Criterion):

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With the sunlight and the red-ish sand it would seem like the light would simply be a bit warm-ish orange but definitely not near-monochrome like in the old Criterion DVD. I recently watched the new remasters of the 2nd and 3rd part of the Koker trilogy (on ARTE) which had great colour balance but here both Criterion releases seem off (and the same is true for The Wind Will Carry us apparently). The MK2 and Artificial Eye releases seem probably the closest to how Kiarostami films should look even though they also skew slightly orange at times (but because the enviroments actually skew orange).
Thanks for the info tobias! I saw this and the first two Koker films at a screening a few years ago. Not sure whose print/restoration it was; I do remember Taste of Cherry being warmer than the Koker films, especially Where Is the Friend's House, but pinkish in addition to orange. Off the top and judging from that one shot I'd say it did look closest to that Artificial Eye transfer, yeah.
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Gordon Gekko voted for Inception twice, same Issue with Leon
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Stop the count!
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Torgo cheered:
#311(⇧407, #718) Portrait de la jeune fille en feu (2019)

#291(⇩78, #213) Whiplash (2014)


#309(⇧178, #487) Lost in Translation (2003)[/size][/size]
Hooray, three films that I find grotesquely overrated.
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OldAle1 wrote: April 4th, 2021, 8:52 pm
beasterne wrote: April 4th, 2021, 8:42 pm
Torgo wrote: April 4th, 2021, 8:38 pm This used to be in our Top 50 in the first and still Top 100 in our second poll. :huh: [2]
Yeah, how could it fall so much? It should be Back to the top 100 in the Future B)
Older mainstream, popular films are probably more likely to fall away than older arthouse films, as the people who grew up with them leave the site and the demographic shifts forward. I'd imagine that in 2011 there were more people here for whom this film represents nostalgia and an early love than there are now - for me BTTF is a key bit of pop culture from the summer between my sophomore and junior years in college; for the average icmer today maybe the equivalent film is The Fellowship of the Ring or Inception.
Thanks for your thoughts on this, Ale. I think there might be something true about it, but not sufficiently to explain all our sometimes hefty shifts. We definitely had a few people leaving (or just missing out on this edition of the poll), so this will effect the results, yep. I'm not sure if we have so many younger users now who might have grown up to Inception - just how many of our active forum users were born after 1992? Hm.
To add some interesting, maybe surprising input on BTTF: This is its IMDb rating history. Not saying your theory is wrong - I suspect the reasons for our ranking movements to be more miscellaneous (read: completely random).
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#192(⇩28, #164) Once Upon a Time in America (1984)
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Tim2460 wrote: April 4th, 2021, 12:45 pm #226(⇧254, #480) The Lady from Shanghai (1947)
Directed by: Orson Welles
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Ebbywebby wrote: April 4th, 2021, 9:11 pm Torgo cheered:
#311(⇧407, #718) Portrait de la jeune fille en feu (2019)

#309(⇧178, #487) Lost in Translation (2003)

#291(⇩78, #213) Whiplash (2014)
Hooray, three films that I find grotesquely overrated.
You wanna fight? :P
Funnily enough, I didn't vote for Portrait - I liked it and found myself adoring the colors and camerawork, but it didn't NEARLY resonate with me as much as with the critics and so many film fans worldwide. (Mind you it's rated 8.1 on IMDb and placed in the Top 250, so it has to appeal to a lot of people outside of the usual arthouse circles.) It's a pretty good 7,5/10 for me and I envy everyone who could fall in love with Portrait so much :) I can't relate to all the "best of the 2010s" accolades. Won't grudge though.

I can see how someone may see Lost in Translation as overrated.

I can hardly see how someone would view Whiplash as such.
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Smoover wrote: April 4th, 2021, 9:09 pm Gordon Gekko voted for Inception twice, same Issue with Leon
beasterne wrote: April 4th, 2021, 9:10 pm Stop the count!
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Tim2460 wrote: April 4th, 2021, 9:01 pm #193( – , #193) Inception (2010)
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Torgo wrote: April 4th, 2021, 9:21 pm I can hardly see how someone would view Whiplash as such.
I think it's a piece of shit. See my comment on the film's ICM page. I could have complained more, but I just didn't want to have too many spoilers. Like, the ridiculous idea that a psychotic, totally implausible band director would...
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sabotage a major, long-prepared-for appearance at Carnegie Hall just to get petty revenge on a single student.
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Tim2460 wrote: April 4th, 2021, 5:30 pm #207(⇧46, #253) I Am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang (1932)
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#191(⇧4, #195) Eraserhead (1977)
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Ebbywebby wrote: April 4th, 2021, 9:27 pm
Torgo wrote: April 4th, 2021, 9:21 pm I can hardly see how someone would view Whiplash as such.
I think it's a piece of shit. See my comment on the film's ICM page. I could have complained more, but I just didn't want to have too many spoilers. Like, the ridiculous idea that a psychotic, totally implausible band director would...
Spoiler
sabotage a major, long-prepared-for appearance at Carnegie Hall just to get petty revenge on a single student.
Given what goes on in this world EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY in politics, in crime, in the arts, in schools, etc etc etc - I'm really amazed that you find that so unrealistic as to destroy the film for you. People go ballistic all the time for stupid reasons, and yes, people even go ballistic in controlled, careful fashions, planning stupid revenges. Just in my own family I have two fairly unbelievable crimes - one a murder and the other a sex/perversion crime - that the family as a whole had difficult believing in; there are members of my family that STILL do not believe the sex crime happened, even after the person plead guilty, there was abundant evidence on video, etc etc. So while that plot point certainly is unlikely, it's pretty far from "implausible" to me.

And that's assuming that one is meant to see the film as exemplifying any sort of realism, which I for one don't think it is - just as Chazelle's previous and next films don't work in a realist context (though admittedly Whiplash is closer to it than the others). I can see plenty of reasons to dislike the film but this strikes me as really weird.
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OldAle1 wrote: April 4th, 2021, 9:37 pm And that's assuming that one is meant to see the film as exemplifying any sort of realism, which I for one don't think it is
Well, if you're going to view it THAT way, I can see you liking it.
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#190(⇧2, #192) Before Sunset (2004)
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Torgo wrote: April 4th, 2021, 9:23 pm
Smoover wrote: April 4th, 2021, 9:09 pm Gordon Gekko voted for Inception twice, same Issue with Leon
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Shiiit :facepalm:
It's true... both films are twice mentioned in my list. Sorry Tim. If you want to correct for the final list in the end, please terminate the lower entries.
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Ebbywebby wrote: April 4th, 2021, 9:45 pm
OldAle1 wrote: April 4th, 2021, 9:37 pm And that's assuming that one is meant to see the film as exemplifying any sort of realism, which I for one don't think it is
Well, if you're going to view it THAT way, I can see you liking it.
Yeah, I also don't think it was really going for realism.
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It's more an exploration as to whether or not pressure makes artists better. If I understood it correctly, Chazelle is further asking whether taking all that abuse is worth it even if it does get results?
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Smoover wrote: April 4th, 2021, 9:09 pm Gordon Gekko voted for Inception twice, same Issue with Leon
Waiiiiiittttttttt

Now we have an real problem : duplicatechecker didn't catch thoses :facepalm:

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Worse is that Gordon got 2 doublons... but my main excel says there are 10 totals :circle:

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Gonna ask the programmer to take a look :ph43r:
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Lakigigar wrote: April 4th, 2021, 9:46 am Toy Story 3 so high is ridicilous.
Yeah, I grew up with 1 & 2 and I still think they are clever and lovely little animation films. Toy Story 3 however I just really don't get. :shrug:
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#189(⇧61, #250) La double vie de Véronique (1991)
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Count me as something of a Pixar naysayer overall - while I do have WALL-E on my list, none of the others that I've seen (probably 2/3 of the total) are really even contenders. The Toy Story movies in particular - I mean I like the first three (haven't seen the 4th - are there more? I just don't keep track anymore), and wouldn't mind seen the 1st again since I haven't seen it since new but...among the best films ever?

But I didn't grow up with them either, and when I was growing up Disney was putting out stuff like The Rescuers, and TV animation was...jeez I don't even know. So I don't have the kind of nostalgia for animation that a lot of folks do. The 70s was maybe the nadir for American animation (apologies to Ralph Bakshi partisans).
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Tim2460 wrote: April 4th, 2021, 9:57 pm
Smoover wrote: April 4th, 2021, 9:09 pm Gordon Gekko voted for Inception twice, same Issue with Leon
Waiiiiiittttttttt

Now we have an real problem : duplicatechecker didn't catch thoses :facepalm:

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Worse is that Gordon got 2 doublons... but my main excel says there are 10 totals :circle:

I should have know from work history you can't trust Java :hug:
Yes, that's very odd the duplicate checked didn't catch those. Which version do you have?
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OldAle1 wrote: April 4th, 2021, 10:08 pm Ralph Bakshi partisans
Present and accounted for!

I didn't vote for any Pixar, though. Toy Story is the only one I'd rank above a 4/5. I do find them pretty overrated.
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tobias wrote: April 4th, 2021, 10:00 pm
Lakigigar wrote: April 4th, 2021, 9:46 am Toy Story 3 so high is ridicilous.
Yeah, I grew up with 1 & 2 and I still think they are clever and lovely little animation films. Toy Story 3 however I just really don't get. :shrug:
I was the right age to grow up with 1 & 2, but I don't think I saw them right away after they were released, and the first was good but the second was mediocre.

That third one, though, hit me like a ton of bricks when I first saw it in my late 20s.
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Not the part when the toys are about to die in the garbage incinerator, but after, when Andy is giving his toys away. That's the part that made me cry.
Also, I think it has one of the funnest opening scenes that really captures childhood imagination.
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AB537 wrote: April 4th, 2021, 3:08 pm I continue to be surprised at the relatively low rankings on ICM (at least in comparison with TSPDT) of Godard's major New Wave films. For me, this is by far the best of them, but others also rank far below their positions elsewhere, and none have ever cracked the top 100. Not sure what accounts for this but it's an interesting aspect of our polls, and carries over to the director poll. The director poll makes sense, since many voters would also be considering non-New Wave content that, to put it mildly, isn't for everyone.
I think a film can crack the top 1000 with a few enthusiastic supporters but once we reach the top 100 there are too many ever popular crowd-pleasers. Even 60's Godard is far from universally beloved and it doesn't stand a chance against the popular work of e.g. Hitchcock and Kubrick which I assume has a very wide voting base. There are bound to be a lot of films in the top 100 that any film from the New Wave would have servere hardship overtaking. Torgo highlighted a few films that actually did fall off in later polls like Kill Bill and Back to the Future but I can't see 2001, Vertigo or The Godfather drop out of the top 100. And there are of course more films than those 3 to which this applies.

It's kind of impressive that we got My Night at Maud's in the top 250 though.

However there will definitely be films ranked higher than Le Mepris which will confuse me ranking so highly (like Moonrise Kingdom or Irreversible - both of which I actually do like but didn't vote for).
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#188(⇩74, #114) Nema-ye Nazdik (1990)
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OldAle1 wrote: April 4th, 2021, 10:08 pm Count me as something of a Pixar naysayer overall - while I do have WALL-E on my list, none of the others that I've seen (probably 2/3 of the total) are really even contenders. The Toy Story movies in particular - I mean I like the first three (haven't seen the 4th - are there more? I just don't keep track anymore), and wouldn't mind seen the 1st again since I haven't seen it since new but...among the best films ever?

But I didn't grow up with them either, and when I was growing up Disney was putting out stuff like The Rescuers, and TV animation was...jeez I don't even know. So I don't have the kind of nostalgia for animation that a lot of folks do. The 70s was maybe the nadir for American animation (apologies to Ralph Bakshi partisans).
I'm a Pixar completist. I've seen all of their features and almost all of their shorts (I actually have two of their recent SparkShorts open in other tabs, waiting to be seen). I think I have about half of their features in my list, with one in my top 3 (Finding Nemo (l) , which I saw in theatres, with friends, in university.... amidst a room full of kids with their parents). I do need to rewatch some Pixar films that I've only seen once, especially WALL·E, and perhaps Toy Story 1 & 2, Ratatouille, and Up. I think some will improve and other fall from favour after a rewatch.

I grew up with the Disney Renaissance, especially the Mermaid-Beast-Aladdin-Lion quadrifecta. My sister wore out the tape of The Little Mermaid so my dad had to make multiple copies. We saw (and have on VHS somewhere) most of the older Disney ones as well.
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Tim2460 wrote: April 4th, 2021, 10:24 pm Here are the full double post mess ... some huge points so it could Push or Pull an film one or 2 slots ....

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Yikes. That's a pain to fix manually. If you send me the CSVs of those affected users, I can do it for you to save you the time and effort.
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Fergenaprido wrote: April 4th, 2021, 10:20 pm
OldAle1 wrote: April 4th, 2021, 10:08 pm Count me as something of a Pixar naysayer overall - while I do have WALL-E on my list, none of the others that I've seen (probably 2/3 of the total) are really even contenders. The Toy Story movies in particular - I mean I like the first three (haven't seen the 4th - are there more? I just don't keep track anymore), and wouldn't mind seen the 1st again since I haven't seen it since new but...among the best films ever?

But I didn't grow up with them either, and when I was growing up Disney was putting out stuff like The Rescuers, and TV animation was...jeez I don't even know. So I don't have the kind of nostalgia for animation that a lot of folks do. The 70s was maybe the nadir for American animation (apologies to Ralph Bakshi partisans).
I'm a Pixar completist. I've seen all of their features and almost all of their shorts (I actually have two of their recent SparkShorts open in other tabs, waiting to be seen). I think I have about half of their features in my list, with one in my top 3 (Finding Nemo (l) , which I saw in theatres, with friends, in university.... amidst a room full of kids with their parents). I do need to rewatch some Pixar films that I've only seen once, especially WALL·E, and perhaps Toy Story 1 & 2, Ratatouille, and Up. I think some will improve and other fall from favour after a rewatch.

I grew up with the Disney Renaissance, especially the Mermaid-Beast-Aladdin-Lion quadrifecta. My sister wore out the tape of The Little Mermaid so my dad had to make multiple copies. We saw (and have on VHS somewhere) most of the older Disney ones as well.
Seems like nostalgia is very much the theme of this year's conversation in this thread. I like it. :cheers:

I guess what animation I did see as a kid or young (pre-college) adult was mostly WB shorts - which I still have a massive love for today. What Pixar or the Disney renaissance or Studio Ghibli are to a lot of people here, Chuck Jones and Bob Clampett and Tex Avery, et al, are to me. Wasn't until college probably that I started to see very much feature animation, and The Little Mermaid came out right after college and my first experience with it was pretty negative actually though I grew to love it later and I probably should have it and Beauty and the Beast on my list - possibilities for next year. So while I really do love animation now and have for a long time, it doesn't hit me in the childish warmth and coziness spot like it does many people. I was just looking at the list of American animated series on in the 70s and jeez it's a bleak list, no wonder it's really only Looney Tunes and (just slightly) Scooby-Doo that I remember.
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Fergenaprido wrote: April 4th, 2021, 10:26 pm
Tim2460 wrote: April 4th, 2021, 10:24 pm Here are the full double post mess ... some huge points so it could Push or Pull an film one or 2 slots ....

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Yikes. That's a pain to fix manually. If you send me the CSVs of those affected users, I can do it for you to save you the time and effort.
Let's think about that tomorow .. it's too late to take a decision this late (soon 1am here...)

It's not THAT a big deal.... as it's just 10 lists to repair / recompute I could repair them during the posting of the 1001-2000 rank and post the corrected list @ICM
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#186(⇩61, #125) Harold and Maude (1971)
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OldAle1 wrote: April 4th, 2021, 10:08 pm Count me as something of a Pixar naysayer overall - while I do have WALL-E on my list, none of the others that I've seen (probably 2/3 of the total) are really even contenders. The Toy Story movies in particular - I mean I like the first three (haven't seen the 4th - are there more? I just don't keep track anymore), and wouldn't mind seen the 1st again since I haven't seen it since new but...among the best films ever?

But I didn't grow up with them either, and when I was growing up Disney was putting out stuff like The Rescuers, and TV animation was...jeez I don't even know. So I don't have the kind of nostalgia for animation that a lot of folks do. The 70s was maybe the nadir for American animation (apologies to Ralph Bakshi partisans).
I demand justice for Don Bluth! (Edit: Now I see you say only 70's somehow I read 70's and 80's, I won't delete this now though)

I grew up with The Land Before Time (we had it on VHS and I watched it up and down). Because we got rid of our VHS player and because I got into my pre-teens phase, the last time I've seen it must have been at like 7 or 8. But I did eventually decide to give it a rewatch at around 20 and while the voiceacting (in English and German) is a bit grating, the world building is some of the most stunningly beautiful and densely atmospheric I've ever seen in any film. Similarly The Secret of NIMH which I did not watch as a kid (but I did maybe see snippets on TV at some point) is just such a seriously ballsy film, linking our civilization to a repressive, technocratic rat monarchy, I mean this could probably be a Svankmajer film.

Some of the early Pixar films I also simply have to give are conceptually very clever. Making a film about speaking toys is such a perfect vehicle to reflect on our society and the conflict between Woody and Buzz is genuinly one for the ages - and e.g. Monsters Inc (which is the only Pixar film I voted for) is essentially a film all about work which is in itself a very rare feat but here it's a world constructed all from scratch with entirely own rules and everything. I think you could write a lot more about these early Pixar films and how they reflect society but I feel like even though they still had interesting concepts afterwards the films after The Incredibles (which I don't like very much but I feel like it belongs with the earlier films) sort of lose this ability of subtle reflection almost entirely. I mean WALL-E for all it's strong parts early on is almost entirely monothematic, Inside Out, while a fun romp, is also completely in the inter-personal sphere. I think the earlier films merit a thorough reading through the lens of the Frankfurt school, the later ones feel very onesided in that regard.

So yeah, I don't think it's just nosthalgia. Some of these films genuinly do stuff that life action shyes away from and I don't so much mean the precise stories (many of which would of course be absurd in live action) but also this way of storytelling. But I feel since the mid 2000s many of these conceptual layers have just vanished completely in narrative.
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#185(⇩8, #177) Lost Highway (1997)
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