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Methods
Pretty simple methodology - I went to the Challenges Index (thanks for keeping that up-to-date, btw) and followed links to all the official challenges. I copied the final results (usually in the first post, though there were a couple of exceptions) into Excel. I did a little data cleanup (using consistent usernames and getting the results to appear as numbers), then assigned ranks and computed scoring (details below). From there, it was just some minor Excel magic, and boom - results.

Scoring
I used a version of NASCAR scoring. Points are based on the number of participants in a challenge and the final rank. So, if there were 20 participants in a challenge, the 1st place person would get 20 points, 2nd place gets 19 points, 3rd place gets 18 points, and so on. For ties, I assigned the average of the points that would have been earned for all those ranks. So, continuing with this example, if two people tied for 4th place (out of 20), each of them would receive (17+16)/2 = 16.5 points. The person in 6th would receive 15 points, and so on. Finally, to be included, you had to have watched at least one film for the official challenge.

**Edited 9 Jan 2021**
Overall Official Challenges Leaderboard (2011-December 2020)
Overall Official Challenges Leaderboard
Rank Participant Total Score # Challenges Competed In Total Number of films Watched for Official Challenges Average Rank in Challenges Number of Challenge Wins Rank Change
1 flavo5000 3432 139 10590 7.68 34
2 sol 3144 128 4998 7.76 5
3 jdidaco 3078.5 121 5943 7.56 8
4 allisoncm 2844 213 4432 13.57 6
5 jeroeno 2633 108 5087 7.33 16
6 cinephage 2464 224 2482 15.55 1
6 maxwelldeux 2464 127 3290 12.82 1 +1
8 RogerTheMovieManiac88 2279.5 108 3413 12.81 3
9 72aicm 2156 86 4218 9.27 10
10 psychotronicbeatnik 2077.5 66 4783 4.39 12
11 OldAle1 2065 96 2445 12.38 1
12 albajos 2022.5 96 4605 9.48 14
13 ororama 1987 142 2018 16.49 0 +1
14 3eyes 1962.5 184 2193 14.38 4 -1
15 hurluberlu 1957.5 118 2242 16.44 0
16 Sebby 1926 127 2665 17.59 1
17 frbrown 1872 130 2882 15.85 2
18 VincentPrice 1647.5 119 2660 16.45 0
19 blueboybob 1514 63 3853 10.22 7 +1
20 weirdboy 1470.5 82 1950 15.54 0 -1
21 klaus78 1334.5 67 1971 11.87 3
22 vortexsurfer 1286 80 1454 19.04 0
23 Daviddoes 1271.5 72 2304 13.18 4
24 blocho 1227 126 1067 22.16 0 +1
25 Mate_cosido 1196 53 1460 12.79 1 -1
26 ChrisReynolds 1151.5 68 1604 14.85 3
27 Lonewolf2003 1110.5 67 1224 16.01 0
28 peeptoad 1055 52 1144 14.67 0
29 AB537 1044 59 1315 15.03 1 +2
30 Knaldskalle 999 104 992 21.40 1
31 nimimerkillinen 990.5 95 922 21.56 1 -2
32 Simba63 824.5 32 1482 11.38 3
33 shugs 822 59 814 22.07 0 +2
34 Fergenaprido 810 71 693 16.58 1 -1
35 clemmetarey 806 50 795 16.08 0 -1
36 zzzorf 775.5 71 898 23.89 0 +2
37 St. Gloede 774 42 1344 8.29 4 -1
38 PUNQ 756 32 2077 7.97 9 +4
39 sushantv10 742 60 1590 9.18 10 -2
40 morrison-dylan-fan 732 50 693 19.92 0 +1
41 mightysparks 731 60 1724 18.92 3 -2
42 burneyfan 730.5 51 1353 9.27 4 +1
43 India Istanbul 714 37 858 19.70 1 -3
44 Traveller 704 24 1969 2.54 5
45 funkybusiness 604 57 587 19.19 0
46 mathiasa 575.5 50 600 23.52 0
47 Mochard 573 49 773 20.37 0
48 HVM 566.5 50 931 8.68 2
49 Obgeoff 565 38 973 18.53 2 +3
50 Cippenham 564 55 761 13.45 1 -1
51 mjf314 538 51 1002 8.04 9 -1
52 tourdesb 512 26 1374 5.00 6 +1
53 Melvelet 493.5 65 464 18.38 0 +2
54 tommy_leazaq 486.5 58 479 17.74 0 -3
55 zuma 461 30 814 9.43 2 +2
56 PeacefulAnarchy 459 25 990 8.44 4 -2
57 Nathan Treadway 445 33 592 13.76 0 -1
58 te18 413.5 21 833 15.38 1
59 kingink 411 25 913 6.12 3
60 Lilarcor 405.5 50 375 16.92 2
61 Nopros 395.5 26 701 9.04 2
62 XxXApathy420XxX 392.5 33 520 16.09 2
63 connordenney 371.5 91 311 25.69 0 +3
64 Kasparius 368.5 31 640 13.87 4 -1
65 Leopardi 367 10 589 15.70 0 -1
66 Tarris1 363 23 355 19.74 0 -1
67 Mario Gaborović 361.5 20 647 5.25 2 +2
68 Coryn 359.5 30 383 23.00 0 +4
69 jvv 345 42 444 19.38 1 -2
70 WalterNeff 343 18 1060 5.00 3 +3
71 45MinuteZoom 338.5 26 449 17.08 1 -3
72 Gorro 329.5 20 485 15.45 0 -3
73 jgwr 319.5 31 365 13.77 0 -2
74 tarr 301 24 445 11.75 1
75 Hunziker 299.5 23 428 22.61 0 +6
76 Cocoa 291 16 537 12.38 2 -1
76 kierkegaardian 291 6 780 6.00 2 -1
78 metaller 290 19 384 11.95 0 -1
79 Perception de Ambiguity 289 12 492 8.08 2 -1
80 sortile9io 288.5 14 564 3.64 3 -1
80 1SO 288.5 8 427 14.00 0 +9
82 sheikofhyrule 286.5 25 304 18.76 0 -2
83 Ivan0716 278.5 11 509 12.73 2 -1
84 AssOnFire 278 13 541 12.62 0 +16
85 Eva_L 272 22 343 25.23 0 -2
86 Kowry 266.5 27 355 16.26 0 -2
87 Wise Jake 265 15 344 14.47 0 -2
88 RBG 263 23 177 22.13 0 -2
89 Eve-Lang-El-Coup 262.5 10 442 4.40 0 -2
90 brokenface 261.5 30 367 11.50 1 -2
91 Kublai Khan 260.5 12 432 11.67 0 +2
92 Onderhond 258 22 302 21.45 0 +5
93 Carmel1379 243.5 13 302 17.85 0 -3
94 Armoreska 239.5 19 635 5.47 4 -3
95 monclivie 238.5 8 278 17.25 0 -3
96 edward5 230.5 12 301 12.17 0 -2
97 jonas2k 228.5 21 280 14.00 0 -2
98 redcard29 223 12 415 8.50 0 -2
99 ryebass 199.5 20 252 16.65 1 -1
100 Cinepolis 198 25 163 24.32 0 +2
101 jajusu 191 8 375 6.00 1 -2
102 max-scl 190.5 16 232 14.63 0 +9
103 themagician 189.5 17 337 11.53 1 -2
104 mondovertigo 176.5 11 231 18.36 1 -1
105 Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi 174 26 148 17.04 0 -1
106 SeanMX12 171.5 15 436 10.53 1 -1
107 Straka 170.5 10 136 16.20 0 -1
108 Timec 169.5 23 226 13.57 0 -1
109 Hippiemans 166 17 132 29.41 0 -1
110 Tomelce 165 16 229 12.44 0 -1
110 Gregmnewman 165 16 262 11.56 0 -1
112 adwest 157 5 508 7.00 0 +30
113 wowwee123 155.5 25 157 21.40 0 -1
114 esiersdale 150.5 21 241 10.29 1 -1
115 greenhorg 145 5 192 25.80 0 -1
115 Sir Plebeian 145 10 225 11.80 0 -1
117 medium cool 143 3 256 12.33 0 -1
118 Ataraxic 142 12 348 6.83 3 -1
119 Good_Will_Harding 138.5 6 199 24.83 0 -1
120 flaiky 137 9 108 20.56 0 -1
121 sennaho 134.5 7 222 34.14 0 -1
122 afirm 133 15 140 11.93 0 -1
123 Lu-Chin 127 6 318 10.17 2 New
124 rnilsson19 126.5 5 146 14.40 0 -2
125 perceval 121.5 11 111 15.73 0 -2
126 prat 120.5 7 321 5.43 1 +13
127 insomnius 116.5 7 120 23.43 0 +3
127 wasabi 116.5 10 168 27.00 1 -3
129 Lammetje 116 9 83 14.44 0
130 beeswax 113.5 9 292 5.67 1 -5
131 fori 113 4 237 5.25 0 -5
132 DudeLanez 111.5 4 197 13.00 0 +63
133 filmbantha 108 5 142 18.80 0 -6
133 ormazd 108 6 470 5.33 1 -6
135 maksler 101 6 122 8.50 0 -4
136 beavis 100 5 233 8.20 1 -4
136 Nuclearplanet 100 17 153 22.53 0 -4
138 andreischz 97 7 114 10.57 0 -4
139 aces 95 9 180 8.00 1 -4
140 joachimt 94 10 147 17.90 1 -4
140 fear of 13 94 10 62 27.90 0 +3
142 b_n 92 8 144 13.00 0 -5
142 lampadatriste 92 13 154 11.08 0 -5
144 timmy_501 90.5 4 142 12.25 0 -4
145 Gershwin 90 14 92 12.57 0 -4
146 GruesomeTwosome 86.5 6 76 37.67 0 -2
147 Ebbywebby 85 8 74 21.25 0 -2
148 globetrotter 83.5 14 75 17.07 1 -2
149 lineuphere 83 5 166 18.20 0 -2
150 Cinematiamo 81.5 3 307 5.67 2 -2
151 Buksemannen 78 6 113 7.67 1 -2
151 marazmatique 78 6 88 28.50 0 -2
153 rohit 77 6 163 8.83 0 -2
154 SkilledLunatic 76.5 8 84 16.00 0 -2
155 rokp 75.5 11 99 10.55 0 -2
156 el-thedeath 73 2 88 13.00 0 -2
157 paul281f 71.5 4 114 24.75 0 -2
158 sacmersault 71 4 59 18.25 0 -2
159 Harco 67.5 4 77 26.25 0 -2
160 Samar 64.5 7 65 11.57 0 -2
161 Josh_Glover 64 3 55 12.00 0 -2
162 Bal3x 63.5 5 148 9.00 0 -2
163 edkrak 62.5 11 63 23.27 0 -2
164 lynchs 59 10 23 28.00 0 -2
165 Lakigigar 57.5 9 44 31.89 0 -2
166 noruas 52 3 177 7.33 0 -2
166 Renegade 52 3 61 20.33 0 -2
168 Level 50.5 2 62 27.50 0 -2
169 wuzzawuzz 50 3 127 4.33 1 -2
169 LarsC 50 4 82 7.50 0 -2
171 pitchorneirda 48 3 47 14.00 0 +47
171 Spocksbrain 48 1 160 2.00 0 -2
173 Samlion 47.5 3 73 5.67 0 -3
174 jal90 46 6 32 25.83 0 -3
174 drayton_cross 46 2 74 22.50 0 -3
174 TraverseTown 46 3 71 21.33 0 -3
177 George Bailey 45.5 10 63 15.00 0 -3
177 Minkin 45.5 2 24 29.50 0 -3
179 insomnia 44.5 4 76 10.50 0 -3
180 bjornam 43.5 4 39 21.50 0 -3
181 Teproc 42.5 7 37 25.43 0 -3
182 pjim 40.5 7 54 16.57 0 -3
183 erde 40 2 66 9.50 0 -3
184 AdamH 39.5 5 56 16.20 0 -3
185 kisbye 39 2 60 4.00 0 -3
185 nicolino 39 2 73 22.00 0 -3
187 Dolwphin 38.5 8 51 16.75 0 -3
188 Cynical Cinephile 37.5 3 42 20.33 0 -3
189 Kobrakai 36.5 2 32 9.50 0 -3
189 tirefeet 36.5 7 37 10.86 0 -3
191 idiotwind 36 3 80 15.00 0 -3
191 Limedebois 36 3 91 4.67 0 -3
193 Ritesh 34.5 3 39 33.33 0 -3
194 Chemosh6969 34 4 77 11.00 1 -3
195 bubar 33 3 76 9.00 0 -3
195 lisa- 33 2 64 2.50 0 -3
197 Gordon_Gekko 30.5 1 21 29.00 0 -3
198 darkflame 30 5 42 12.80 0 -3
198 MMAlpha 30 2 63 7.00 0 -3
200 priddy_44 29 2 49 8.50 0 -2
201 deepspeaks 27.5 4 34 13.50 0 -2
201 hiimstacey 27.5 1 29 24.00 0 -2
201 ignatzkat 27.5 3 62 7.33 1 -2
204 RedHawk10 26 2 18 47.50 0 -2
205 Enigma 25.5 5 30 13.20 0 -2
206 onshy 25 3 28 11.33 0 -2
206 slylingual24 25 2 26 10.50 0 -2
206 Pain 25 3 108 10.33 1 -2
206 Bobby Peru 25 4 29 17.00 0 -2
210 MilenaFlaherty 24.5 3 36 8.33 0 -2
211 Revo 23.5 2 91 8.00 0 -2
211 lisagirl 23.5 2 19 14.00 0 -2
213 implar 23 2 22 20.50 0 -2
213 schwrz 23 2 26 9.50 0 -2
215 Abdullah ozu 22.5 1 10 20.00 0 -2
216 mimurph1 22 1 39 11.00 0 -2
217 soitgoes 21.5 2 33 14.00 0 -2
218 JiraffeJustin 21 4 33 13.25 0 -2
218 Opio 21 1 9 24.00 0 -2
220 ca_horror_fan 20 1 32 7.00 0 -1
220 TheMadcapLaughs 20 1 34 8.00 0 -1
222 log89 19.5 4 24 31.00 0 -1
223 Chilton 19 1 15 8.00 0 -1
223 Micron 19 1 25 3.00 0 -1
223 beasterne 19 1 15 17.00 0 -1
226 bunnycorns 18.5 2 17 27.50 0 -1
227 EssexMutant 17 1 51 1.00 1 -1
227 outdoorcats 17 1 35 36.00 0 -1
227 Mulholland 17 1 38 2.00 0 -1
227 musikurt 17 1 31 5.00 0 -1
227 monty 17 6 18 19.17 0 -1
232 Y U M E 16.5 1 19 5.00 0 -1
233 Gonzalito199 16 2 9 30.00 0 -1
234 kongs_speech 15.5 2 31 26.00 0 New
234 Local Hero 15.5 2 9 19.50 0 -1
234 jocularities 15.5 4 11 24.00 0 +35
237 Wonderful Rainbow 15 3 13 24.33 0 -3
237 Laydback 15 1 34 6.00 0 -3
237 DareDaniel 15 2 14 31.00 0 -3
240 Kloraliv 14 1 25 4.00 0 -3
241 gerryt 13 1 32 8.00 0 -3
241 Toasterstrudles 13 1 15 7.00 0 -3
241 SeVKiTT 13 3 7 27.33 0 -3
241 Apu 13 1 20 3.00 0 -3
245 inmybubble 12.5 1 13 10.00 0 -3
246 Oliuj 12 1 10 31.00 0 -3
246 John Milton 12 1 12 22.00 0 -3
246 drbop 12 1 19 6.00 0 -3
249 ataraxick 11.5 1 19 3.00 0 -3
250 RollingWonder 11 1 22 4.00 0 -3
250 Coopaloop 11 1 14 6.00 0 -3
250 explorer95 11 2 12 35.50 0 -3
250 Rigters 11 1 19 9.00 0 -3
254 Innocuous Bird 10.5 2 24 16.50 0 -3
255 BadSmile 10 1 15 21.00 0 -3
255 ZombieCPA 10 1 12 35.00 0 -3
257 dormice 9.5 1 9 12.00 0 -3
257 Houston 9.5 1 4 17.00 0 -3
259 xianjiro 9 1 5 34.00 0 -3
260 takk71 8 2 8 22.00 0 -3
260 Ekaterina- 8 1 24 9.00 0 -3
260 Muellwind 8 1 15 3.00 0 -3
260 Alberto 8 1 10 14.00 0 -3
264 Halie 7 1 5 20.00 0 -3
264 wezy 7 1 12 15.00 0 -3
264 tazz_85 7 1 6 35.00 0 -3
264 Quartoxuma 7 1 4 14.00 0 -3
264 Rad82 7 1 5 13.00 0 -3
264 jerilee 7 1 3 10.00 0 -3
270 micmacs 6.5 2 3 34.00 0 -3
270 Pgonzalez 6.5 2 8 32.50 0 -3
272 pongy_papaya 6 1 7 11.00 0 -3
273 fkaymak 5.5 1 5 8.00 0 -2
273 CMT 5.5 1 4 44.00 0 -2
273 bentoga 5.5 1 2 24.00 0 -2
273 magnusbe 5.5 2 5 19.50 0 -2
277 deepak1990 5 1 3 17.00 0 -2
277 zhangalan 5 1 6 11.00 0 -2
277 Chrilleee 5 1 9 16.00 0 -2
277 SirFigNewton 5 1 2 22.00 0 -2
277 ErikSchierboom 5 1 3 37.00 0 -2
277 matthewscott8 5 2 2 29.00 0 -2
283 kingclio 4.5 1 4 10.00 0 -2
283 OS314 4.5 1 2 19.00 0 -2
283 Elmozg 4.5 1 6 12.00 0 -2
283 lvn0716 4.5 1 5 17.00 0 -2
287 spinal tapper 4 1 3 22.00 0 -2
287 Jimi Antiloop 4 1 1 27.00 0 -2
287 DeanWindow 4 1 2 17.00 0 -2
290 essiersdale 3.5 1 1 11.00 0 -2
291 cinewest 3 1 1 35.00 0 -2
291 tobias 3 1 3 53.00 0 -2
291 avid 3 1 2 22.00 0 -2
291 Hanspelling 3 1 3 19.00 0 -2
291 billyvaneyck 3 1 4 23.00 0 -2
296 watchayakan 2.5 1 2 15.00 0 -2
296 Panunzio 2.5 1 1 14.00 0 -2
296 vendetta 2.5 1 2 35.00 0 -2
296 Lukewaffe 2.5 2 2 16.00 0 -2
296 Oakie 2.5 1 1 23.00 0 -2
301 toromash 2 1 3 40.00 0 -2
301 Alfredo Garcia 2 1 4 31.00 0 -2
303 Jay Mars 1.5 1 1 12.00 0 -2
303 Run4thetop 1.5 1 1 50.00 0 -2
305 dombrewer 1 1 2 21.00 0 -2
305 jort13 1 1 1 22.00 0 -2


[Apologies - it was my intention to keep all the years' leaderboards contained in a single post; however, I ran up against the character limit for a single post, so I'm putting them in individual posts and linking to them.]

Prior Years' Leaderboards
2019 Leaderboard
2018 Leaderboard
2017 Leaderboard
2016 Leaderboard
2015 Leaderboard
2014 Leaderboard
2013 Leaderboard
2012 Leaderboard
2011 Leaderboard

Challenge-Specific Leaderboards
Animation
Cult/Grindhouse/Drive-In
Documentary
Films Directed by Women
French
Horror
Noir
Russian
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Interesting.

72allinn is strangely low - his numbers look comparable to those of flavo and jdidaco.


2017 Official Challenges Leader Board
ParticipantTotal Score# Challenges Competed InTotal Number of Films Watched for Official ChallengesNumber of Challenge Wins
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2 wins in 4 attempts - impressive :poshclap:
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frbrown on Oct 8 2017, 06:06:02 PM wrote:Interesting.

72allinn is strangely low - his numbers look comparable to those of flavo and jdidaco.
I see what you're saying, but it's just a weird quirk of the scoring. flavo5000 and jdidaco had slightly higher average ranks, and 72allinncallme had the misfortune of dominating some less popular challenges (most notably the Indian challenge, with only 11 participants, so only 11 points for 1st place).

I was super impressed with albajos and cinephage for participating in all 18 challenges so far this year, as well as you (frbrown), sol, 3eyes, and ororama for being there more than half the time.

Of course, I'm a huge stats nerd, so I find all of this interesting. :whistling:
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Interesting meta-challenge, Maxwell. Without going into a deeper analysis of the scoring I'm guessing it's better to participate in few challenges and then really work to win them, rather than participating in "everything" and then only watch 1-2 movies?

Since we have all the old challenges archived, we could actually go back and figure out who "won" the annual Official Challenge Leaderboard every year. Might be fun for those so inclined.
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This is an interesting, and rather unexpected, at least for me, result. As I'm a slow viewer, I almost never win challenges, but I usually enjoy participating in most. This ranking rewards consistency rather than performance on a concentrated period, and this is closer to my approach to film-watching.
Diversity preserves me from movie fatigue (at least until now).
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maxwelldeux on Oct 8 2017, 04:17:18 PM wrote:And if there's interest, I'll keep going backwards in time and create leader boards for other years, as well as an all-time leader board.
An all-time board would be great. Also an extra column on the left with ranking positions.
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Oh man 740 movies for challenges. I've got 0. Maybe 2018.
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I've watched 413 films in 2017... These 169 watches mean 41% of my watches are for challenges. Not bad, not bad...
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Horror challenge will give a lot of points :clap:
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This is a fantastic idea. :clap: I hope you keep it up since it will give me much needed extra motivation to participate in more Challenges, both this month and into the future (though I'm not sure how I'll cope with 36 Official Challenges next year). Really cool in case to rank #2. :thumbsup:
maxwelldeux on wrote:I was super impressed with albajos and cinephage for participating in all 18 challenges so far this year, as well as you (frbrown), sol, 3eyes, and ororama for being there more than half the time.
Even more impressive considering that I wasn't registered here in January. This means that I have participated in 14 out of 16 possible Challenges. Didn't realise that my participation was anywhere near that high! (D:)
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cinephage on Oct 9 2017, 04:36:24 AM wrote:I've watched 413 films in 2017... These 169 watches mean 41% of my watches are for challenges. Not bad, not bad...
I think the accuracy of total films seen can be disputed since there are probably a few dozen films that I have counted towards two simultaneous Challenges, and I wouldn't be alone with that.

If we assume the total is accurate though, that means that 399 out of 517 films (77%) I have seen so far this year have been for Official Challenges.

Oh, wait, that number is excluding Horror Challenge viewings, so the percentage is probably even higher. Some shorts in there too, but I'm guessing around 80%.
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Hmm, I think number of films watched should get included in the score somehow. Perhaps; All movies watched in all challenges divided on number of challenges participated. So in Albajos case he gets 290.5 points (249.5p + 741/18 = 290.5). But maybe I’m just saying that because I think I would benefit from that. :whistling:

But great initiative and an interesting read Max! :)
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72allinncallme on Oct 9 2017, 05:19:29 AM wrote:But maybe I’m just saying that because I think I would benefit from that. :whistling:
Yeah, stop thinking of ways to climb above me in the rankings. :P I can't help it if hardly anyone participated in the one Challenge where you watched over 50% of all movies viewed. ;)
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Great effort! Consider me interested in the all-time rankings.
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Knaldskalle on Oct 8 2017, 10:57:25 PM wrote:Without going into a deeper analysis of the scoring I'm guessing it's better to participate in few challenges and then really work to win them, rather than participating in "everything" and then only watch 1-2 movies?
It doesn't look that way to me. I participated in 13 challenges and won none; 72allinn participated in 8 and won 3 (and watched 300 films more than I did), and he's ranked below me. Tourdesb participated in 4 challenges and won 2, and he only ranks at #20.

Only 6 people participated in more than half of the challenges, and all 6 of us are ranked in the top 10.
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Glad you all found this interesting! I'll keep going back in time, and create an all time leader board, as well as ones for each individual year. With the way I've structured the data (well, once I'm through with this), I can also easily generate leader boards for regular challenges (e.g., an all-time leaderboard for the official Horror challenges), as interest dictates.
Knaldskalle on wrote:Interesting meta-challenge, Maxwell. Without going into a deeper analysis of the scoring I'm guessing it's better to participate in few challenges and then really work to win them, rather than participating in "everything" and then only watch 1-2 movies?
Yeah - like frbrown said, I think more challenges is better. I'm actually a decent example - I participated in 9 of the challenges, but never really went after a win. A small handful of films each time, and I'm in the top quarter. Even 1 or 2 films, which may count for a challenge, even though you're not actively pursuing that challenge, will move you up the leaderboard pretty quick.
sortile9io on wrote:Also an extra column on the left with ranking positions.
Good idea! I'll get right on that.
sol on wrote:I think the accuracy of total films seen can be disputed since there are probably a few dozen films that I have counted towards two simultaneous Challenges, and I wouldn't be alone with that.
Very true, and not really something I can control - I just consider it an embedded bonus in the scoring.
72allinncallme on wrote:Hmm, I think number of films watched should get included in the score somehow. Perhaps; All movies watched in all challenges divided on number of challenges participated. So in Albajos case he gets 290.5 points (249.5p + 741/18 = 290.5).
Interesting idea - I'll play around with some numbers and see what I can come up with.
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The number of participants shouldn't have much weight on the score. Watching 2 or 3 movies is not actual participating
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Armoreska on Oct 9 2017, 12:38:53 PM wrote:The number of participants shouldn't have much weight on the score. Watching 2 or 3 movies is not actual participating
I understand your point, but I disagree. I view the challenges as a fun way to get out of your comfort zone and watch things you wouldn't ordinarily be drawn to. Even if you watch one film, it should count towards the challenge.

Then there's the practical issue you bring up about the scoring system, which is an open question and worth discussing. I chose this version of scoring because I wanted to give higher weight to wins in challenges with more participants; winning a challenge with 50 participants is definitely more impressive than winning a challenge with 5 participants. Off the top of my head, I see a few possible scoring systems:

a) The one I'm currently using (see first post)
b) A version of above, with each challenge weighted equally. 1st place gets 100 points, 2nd place gets 99 points, etc. Ties handled the same. With this, coming in last place in the Indian challenge (with only 11 participants) would get you 90 points (assuming no ties). Where as coming in last place in a challenge with 50 participants would get you 51 points (again, assuming no ties).
c) A percentage-based system. Each challenge is worth 100 points, and they get assigned based on the percent of total films watched. For example, in the Indian challenge, 72allinncallme would have received 52.04 points for utterly dominating the challenge, having watched 51 films of 98 total watches (i.e., (51/98)*100 = 52.04).
d) Others...

So what are people's thoughts on scoring?
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No need to overdo it. To say that 1-2 isn't enough. Well, what is enough? 7? 31?

Doing it like this makes it easy to understand, easy to calculate for everyone, and stays fun.
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Armoreska on Oct 9 2017, 12:38:53 PM wrote:The number of participants shouldn't have much weight on the score. Watching 2 or 3 movies is not actual participating
I also disagree. When someone posts his participation in a challenge, he/she becomes part of it. There is an awareness, an involvement, there. However limited, this involvement reveals an intent to be part of the event, of sharing with the other participants.

I wouldn't discount this... In my case, I know it can weigh on my viewing choices, even though it's only one or two movies (I usually pick more, but get distracted for whatever reason)...
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Without complicating it more you could use number of wins, participations and films to break the total score ties. Take for instance, in the lower part of the table:

fori 17 1 15 0
Nopros 17 1 21 0
musikurt 17 1 31 0

musikurt should probably be first and fori last.
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sortile9io on Oct 10 2017, 02:48:37 AM wrote:Without complicating it more you could use number of wins, participations and films to break the total score ties.
I like the idea! I hadn't thought too deeply about tiebreakers, but what you said makes a lot of sense.

PS to all: I'm slowly moving backwards in time as I gather these data. I have the last 3 months of 2016 complete. Do y'all want periodic updates, or hold off until I have large chunks (e.g., years) complete?
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Years are the most tidy way to do it. Thanks.

Just a note about ties with a challenge, would it not make more sense to give:
1. 8 points
2. 7 points
3. 6 points
3. 6 points
3. 6 points
6. 3 points
7. 2 points
8. 1 points
rather than an average?

Also, if you want to reward people actually winning, give those two extra points and the runner-up one extra point. (like we do in Eurovision SC)
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albajos on Oct 10 2017, 03:45:43 AM wrote:Years are the most tidy way to do it. Thanks.

Just a note about ties with a challenge, would it not make more sense to give:
1. 8 points
2. 7 points
3. 6 points
3. 6 points
3. 6 points
6. 3 points
7. 2 points
8. 1 points
rather than an average?

Also, if you want to reward people actually winning, give those two extra points and the runner-up one extra point. (like we do in Eurovision SC)
Years it is, unless there are strong objections.

On the scoring (nerd warning):

If you view the points as purely rankings-based (looking up), then yes, what you said makes more sense. In your example, those three people who tied for 3rd place have only two people above them in rankings, so each of them could earn 6 points. But it is also equally true that those three people who tied for 3rd place tied for fourth from the bottom, so if you allocate scores bottom up, they should all receive 4 points. The current scoring system splits the difference.

Another way too look at it is that there are [N(N+1)]/2 points to allocate, where N is the number of participants in a given challenge (this is the sum of the numbers from 1 to N). With 8 participants, this would be 36 total points to allocate. The current scoring allocates exactly 36 points, whereas the rankings-based scoring would assign 39 points (and would assign more if there were additional ties). Think prize money - the three people who tied for 3rd would each receive the average of the purses of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th place finishes.

OK. All that said, I'm certainly open to modifying the scoring based on what consensus we reach. To be honest, my default option is going to be sticking with what I've done, largely out of laziness. But I'm happy to change the scoring based on thoughts around here.

Finally, bonus points - I'm cool with that. Thoughts?
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maxwelldeux on Oct 10 2017, 11:57:29 AM wrote:who tied for 3rd place have only two people above them in rankings, so each of them could earn 6 points. But it is also equally true that those three people who tied for 3rd place tied for fourth from the bottom, so if you allocate scores bottom up, they should all receive 4 points.
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albajos on Oct 10 2017, 12:05:38 PM wrote:
maxwelldeux on Oct 10 2017, 11:57:29 AM wrote:who tied for 3rd place have only two people above them in rankings, so each of them could earn 6 points. But it is also equally true that those three people who tied for 3rd place tied for fourth from the bottom, so if you allocate scores bottom up, they should all receive 4 points.
But the glas is half full, not half empty :)
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I'm not going to weigh in on scoring, but I do appreciate this and would be delighted to see the other years/total stats in whatever form.

I must say I was a bit startled to find myself in the top 10 as I haven't participated nearly this much this year as before. Until recently I have tended to report anything I happen to see that fits a current challenge I'm not otherwise interested in, but I don't really see any virtue in that.
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Updated the Top Post. It now includes the current status of the Overall leaderboard (2016-present data), and has separate tables for 2017 and 2016. Enjoy! And please let me know what feedback you have...
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There must be something wrong with the number of wins column in 2017. I have one even though I haven't actually won anything this year and PeacefulAnarchy has two wins but only one participation.
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Well, my four wins from 2017 is also in counted in the 2016 table, so it seems it's the all-time total in all tables
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Blarg. Thanks y'all - I'm stupidly counting all-time wins in every table. I'll figure out how to fix that.
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I'm tied for 3rd in terms of number of challenges competed in, but I'm also the top-ranked person who hasn't seen 100 total movies for the challenges
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Updated the first post.

I've added the stats for 2015, updated the overall leaderboard to be 2015-2017 (inclusive), and fixed that wins count thing I screwed up.

Enjoy! And please let me know if you have updates/corrections/feedback.
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Thank you, maxwelldeux! I really appreciate your work. Although some results are a a bit frustrating, like this:

22. - Buksemannen: 159, 5, 81, 9.00, 0
74. - sortile9io: 62.5, 5, 238, 3.20, 2

Both have participated in five challenges, I won two, with near three times more films, yet Buksemannen is near the top while I'm lost in the middle. I'll have to do something, can't stand being so low on a list.
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That's much better. 24th place is like first page!
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sortile9io on Oct 16 2017, 04:55:58 AM wrote:Thank you, maxwelldeux! I really appreciate your work. Although some results are a a bit frustrating, like this:

22. - Buksemannen: 159, 5, 81, 9.00, 0
74. - sortile9io: 62.5, 5, 238, 3.20, 2

Both have participated in five challenges, I won two, with near three times more films, yet Buksemannen is near the top while I'm lost in the middle. I'll have to do something, can't stand being so low on a list.
Well good news for you, sortile9io: You're moving up a spot.

For one of Buksemannen's scores, I accidentally tallied "110" when it should have been a "10". So that 159 will drop to a 59.

I've corrected it in my data file, and I'll update the tables when I add in the 2014 data.

Good catch! :thumbsup:
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Updated the first post.

This update adds in the stats for 2014 in a separate table, and updates the overall leaderboard to include all official challenges 2014-present. It also corrects a few errors I've come across, including the one sortile9io pointed out last update. As such, all tables have been updated.

Also, for those of you who have changed usernames, please run through the Overall table - if you see both of your names listed, let me know somehow, and I'll merge the two. I've caught a couple of these already as I'm cleaning the data, but I'm betting I'm missing some.

Again, please send me updates/corrections/feedback and I'll make the appropriate fixes. Enjoy!



PS: Dear sweet, wonderful, competent, and stunningly attractive mods: Could we please get this topic Pinned in the Challenges subforum? :happy:
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Wow Cinephage did win one, and makes #1!
I'm up to 18th as well, higher than expected
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maxwelldeux on Oct 18 2017, 11:09:42 PM wrote:PS: Dear sweet, wonderful, competent, and stunningly attractive mods: Could we please get this topic Pinned in the Challenges subforum? :happy:
+1 (but only for the second half of the sentence and some parts of the first). :turned:
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Armoreska on Oct 19 2017, 02:07:31 AM wrote:Wow Cinephage did win one, and makes #1!
I'm up to 18th as well, higher than expected
That was my plan all along... I let others win and pass in front of me, and lost to more than 100 challenges of all kind, knowing that eventually I would have the last laugh.
And I don't intend to win either of the challenges I'm doing right now either... Justice will come to me in the end !!!
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