iCM Forum World Cup Season 3 - Round 2 preparation

[sacmersault]

Yeah, I did a quick search at the best place I know to find rarities and only La fórmula secreta pops up.

TBH that's the best one and most known, but amazing nonetheless. There are tons of others less known but hard to get. There are other newer that are good but riskier: Canoa, Cuentos de hadas para dormir cocodrilos, etc. If you want any more suggestions you can PM. I'm Mexican and have studied a lot of Mexican cinema but don't feel qualified to choose Mexico, even though its probably the country I know the most. Contemporary Mexican cinema is great but people here don't seem to click with it. Old and grey or you might not move on tbh.

Non-European or Japanese movies here do not have much of a chance...

Good luck

Well, speaking for myself it's the contrary. I don't really understand the love for the older B&W Mexican cinema, whereas I like the more recent output I've seen (not much though). What makes you think these oldies will do better? That may be true for European big-hitters like Poland, Czechoslovakia, Italy or France, which had great (influence from) new waves in the 50s or 60s, but I don't know why the same would be true for Mexico.

Because non-mainstream films didn't opt for the classic melodramas or comedies. They were made by directors directly influenced by the new waves movements in Europe. Studios didn't like that though and they had very little exposure.

[cinewest]

Yeah, I did a quick search at the best place I know to find rarities and only La fórmula secreta pops up.

TBH that's the best one and most known, but amazing nonetheless. There are tons of others less known but hard to get. There are other newer that are good but riskier: Canoa, Cuentos de hadas para dormir cocodrilos, etc. If you want any more suggestions you can PM. I'm Mexican and have studied a lot of Mexican cinema but don't feel qualified to choose Mexico, even though its probably the country I know the most. Contemporary Mexican cinema is great but people here don't seem to click with it. Old and grey or you might not move on tbh.

Non-European or Japanese movies here do not have much of a chance...

Good luck

Well, speaking for myself it's the contrary. I don't really understand the love for the older B&W Mexican cinema, whereas I like the more recent output I've seen (not much though). What makes you think these oldies will do better? That may be true for European big-hitters like Poland, Czechoslovakia, Italy or France, which had great (influence from) new waves in the 50s or 60s, but I don't know why the same would be true for Mexico.

I think that Mexican and Latina American cinema in general has been flowering over the past 10-15 years in general, but although western audiences have gone for the American films made by Mexican transplants like Cuaron and Inarritu, contemporary Mexican and Latin American cinema hasn't really caught on, and hasn't gotten nearly the attention it deserves outside of films that play most like Hollywood ones.

[monty]

How many submissions have you received so far, J-Dog?

[Armoreska]

Probably only Lebanon. It's Hors la vie, I got nothing to hide anymore.

[Mario Gaborović]

Probably only Lebanon. It's Hors la vie, I got nothing to hide anymore.

Not a single Lebanese company involved, and unsurprisingly Lebanon is not a production country at all.

Choose another film.

[Armoreska]

Probably only Lebanon. It's Hors la vie, I got nothing to hide anymore.

Not a single Lebanese company involved, and unsurprisingly Lebanon is not a production country at all.

Choose another film.

That's the only one I liked outside of Ziad Doueiri (and docu shorts). Besides I recall that a director coming from said country is enough. The movie is also SET in Lebanon. I think production company nonsense actually comes 3rd.

[Mario Gaborović]

I think the only thing valid is production country, otherwise people would employ American and French films to no end. Stop it somewhere godammit.

Also I can't see why you wouldn't choose Caramel or Ghadi, especially the former is a fine work.

[Armoreska]

OK I'll watch Ghadi (yeah no eng subs) and also Cerf-volant.
Oh yeah there's also Sous les bombes that was decent.
But I'll wait for JT's decision.

[Gershwin]

Caramel is a fine film indeed.

[Armoreska]

Caramel is a fine film indeed.

If I went with that, I'd become the first manager to vote own pick last.
Next round maybe

[Gershwin]

Caramel is a fine film indeed.

If I went with that, I'd become the first manager to vote own pick last.
Next round maybe

Hehe. In that case you certainly shouldn't pick it. I've abstained from using a few highly popular films in these parts as well, just because personally I didn't love them.

[Mario Gaborović]

Three days left to submit your films for the Round 2.

I believe Joachim has returned, so we could solve the Lebanon issue.

[joachimt]

How many submissions have you received so far, J-Dog?

7

[joachimt]

Probably only Lebanon. It's Hors la vie, I got nothing to hide anymore.

I didn't receive a PM from you.
I won't allow Hors la vie. The country should at least be a production country.

[joachimt]

All winners from round 1:

POT 1
F: Japan (Sanbiki no samurai, monty, 1.837)
J: Greece (O fovos, tommy_leazaq, 1.892)
C: Romania (Padurea spânzuratilor, clemmetarey, 1.905)
I: Poland (Constans, sebby, 1.919)
L: Germany (Ich war neunzehn, Lilarcor, 1.972)
B: China (Mang jing, hurluberlu, 2)
D: France (Une si jolie petite plage, klaus78, 2)
H: Georgia (Pirosmani, tarr, 2)

POT 2
G: England (Ice Cold in Alex, funkybusiness, 2.049)
E: Czechia (Neúplné zatmení, Carmel98, 2.171)
A: Croatia (Ne okreci se sine, Mochard, 2.255)
K: Switzerland (Reise der Hoffnung, Nathan Treadway, 2.282)
J: Mexico (Macario, Daviddoes, 2.027)
C: Hungary (Megáll az idö, tarr, 2.143)
I: USA (The Incident, filmbantha, 2.189)
B: Spain (Arrebato, beavis, 2.233)

POT 3
E: Bolivia (Ukamau, burneyfan, 2.268)
H: Taiwan (Wo zhe yang guo le yi sheng, mjf314, 2.268)
G: Hong Kong (Tou ze, Smoover, 2.317)
A: Burkina Faso (Buud Yam, hurluberlu , 2.319)
D: India (Dabba, tommy_leazaq, 2.378)
F: Lebanon (West Beyrouth (À l'abri les enfants), Armoreska, 2.512)
K: Brazil (Lavoura Arcaica, Gorro, 2.538)
L: Austria (Das finstere Tal , metaller, 2.583)

[Mario Gaborović]

Probably only Lebanon. It's Hors la vie, I got nothing to hide anymore.

I didn't receive a PM from you.
I won't allow Hors la vie. The country should at least be a production country.

I keep telling there has to be a minimum of rules.

But I would certainly help Armoreska by watching only Lebanese films for the next three days and recommending. Don't say we're not collegial.

[joachimt]

I really liked Beyroutou el lika (1981), but the available copy is terrible, so maybe not such a good idea. Apart from that it's mostly Bagdadi I've seen, just a few others. By Bagdadi I think Beyrouth ya Beyrouth (1975) and Les petites guerres (1982) are to be considered, although the latter probably wouldn't get my vote.

[monty]

How many submissions have you received so far, J-Dog?

7

I see. Btw, will there be the usual deadline extension (for me at the very least)?

[Mario Gaborović]

How many submissions have you received so far, J-Dog?

7

I see. Btw, will there be the usual deadline extension (for me at the very least)?

For a person who runs Samurai polls and is well versed in Japanese cinema, there's no need for delay unless the aim is to jack us off again monty-style.

[mjf314]

I'm hoping to watch 1 or 2 more Taiwanese films before the deadline.

[joachimt]

7

I see. Btw, will there be the usual deadline extension (for me at the very least)?

For a person who runs Samurai polls and is well versed in Japanese cinema, there's no need for delay unless the aim is to jack us off again monty-style.

He's just trolling again. No extension of course. If a manager misses the deadline there will be a 24 hour window for other people to sign up as new manager. Then I'll randomly pick one of those people and he gets two days to choose a movie. If that happens that would mean the start of round 2 will be delayed, so I hope this won't be necessary.

3 days left. 8/24 submissions now.

[clemmetarey]

Just to be sure, the deadline is as usual, the end of August 17th everywhere in the world right?

[joachimt]

Just to be sure, the deadline is as usual, the end of August 17th everywhere in the world right?

Yes. I added a countdown to the OP.

[monty]

I'm strongly considering an anime option. Anyone else going down that route? A pure animation round could be fun.

[Armoreska]

And also impossible this early.

[sebby]

There's no reason for Hors la vie not to be eligible IMO.

[mjf314]

I'm strongly considering an anime option. Anyone else going down that route? A pure animation round could be fun.

If you're considering anime, I have two suggestions for you.

In This Corner of the World
It's a WWII film, and it won a lot of awards. Fans of Grave of the Fireflies will probably like it. Personally I like it more than Grave of the Fireflies.

Night is Short, Walk on Girl
Fans of The Tatami Galaxy will like it (same director and similar style).

[Armoreska]

There's no reason for Hors la vie not to be eligible IMO.

Would it be OK to pick it for France if it was good enough? Don't think so. Out of 4 boxes I can think of (company, language, setting, director's origin) it checks 2 for France and 2 for Lebanon.

But if I pick the alternate, Sous Les Bombes, it can even do better. And checks all the boxes.

[joachimt]

There's no reason for Hors la vie not to be eligible IMO.

Would it be OK to pick it for France if it was good enough? Don't think so. Out of 4 boxes I can think of (company, language, setting, director's origin) it checks 2 for France and 2 for Lebanon.

But if I pick the alternate, Sous Les Bombes, it can even do better. And checks all the boxes.

If you can quote some reputable source that thinks it's a Lebanon movie, I'll allow it.
We have to draw a clear line somewhere. Production-company is clear. In case of co-production you should even explain why it can compete for that certain country. If a country selects a movie for the competition of best foreign Oscar or if Unesco selects the movie for that country, etc....... that's good enough for me.

Of the four boxes you mention director's origin shouldn't count at all. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest isn't a Czech movie of course.

[Armoreska]

If it was called Přelet nad kukaččím hnízdem and was set in Czechia, then probably.

[joachimt]

13/24 submissions now. Just over two days left.

[Armoreska]

Alright, JT, it's official then, I'm going with Sous les bombes

[sebby]

hmm

go with a film that won't win but needs more exposure

or

go with a film that will almost surely win but already has several hundred checks

[Armoreska]

Win!

[joachimt]

Alright, JT, it's official then, I'm going with Sous les bombes

Why don't you PM me instead of posting it here?

[Armoreska]

Alright, JT, it's official then, I'm going with Sous les bombes

Why don't you PM me instead of posting it here?

What for?
Maybe someone will find that the company that made Sous is actually not Lebanese and IMDb has it all wrong and it's French.

[joachimt]

Alright, JT, it's official then, I'm going with Sous les bombes

Why don't you PM me instead of posting it here?

What for?
Maybe someone will find that the company that made Sous is actually not Lebanese and IMDb has it all wrong and it's French.

What for? Because we agreed on that.

[joachimt]

15/24 submissions so far. Just over one day left. Don't miss the deadline, guys! You know me, I'm very strict when it comes to deadlines and I don't send out reminders.

Waiting for these managers:
mjf314
Daviddoes
hurluberlu (2x)
funkybusiness
burneyfan
sebby
monty
clemmetarey

[Armoreska]

You know me, I'm very strict when it comes to deadlines and I don't send out reminders.

I think this happened since you put on that brutal avatar.
If I didn't know he was actually a geeky-looking vegetarian, I'd be worried.

[Mario Gaborović]

You know me, I'm very strict when it comes to deadlines and I don't send out reminders.

I think this happened since you put on that brutal avatar.
If I didn't know he was actually a geeky-looking vegetarian, I'd be worried.

Is that the Midnight Oil singer, or what??