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Armoreska on Oct 28 2017, 04:57:50 AM wrote:Joachim is srsly pulling our legs here. He's even checked After Earth in the meantime. At least it's not Battlefield Earth.
Well, he gave a deadline for the poll but not for the results report.

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sortile9io on Oct 28 2017, 05:18:59 AM wrote:
Armoreska on Oct 28 2017, 04:57:50 AM wrote:Joachim is srsly pulling our legs here. He's even checked After Earth in the meantime. At least it's not Battlefield Earth.
Well, he gave a deadline for the poll but not for the results report.

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Nathan Treadway on Oct 28 2017, 04:08:01 AM wrote:All those suggestions assume that there is a tie, which there very well may not be. Every option presents problems.

Flipping a coin is pure coincidence. Would it be fair to the loser?
Picking the country with the most 5s also means you chose the country with the most 1s.
Going with a playoff means that they have to potentially find another film that falls within the criteria. It also makes the tournament probably unnecessarily longer.
Running another poll is, well.. Running another poll.

Maybe another poll to decide which way to go. LOL. And watch, all this will be for naught
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Right now I wonder whether Joachim has family/life issues, or he's doing it on purpose, laughing at us while being logged on with his spare account.
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Armoreska on Oct 28 2017, 04:57:50 AM wrote:Joachim is srsly pulling our legs here. He's even checked After Earth in the meantime. At least it's not Battlefield Earth.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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joachimt on Oct 28 2017, 06:15:52 AM wrote:
Armoreska on Oct 28 2017, 04:57:50 AM wrote:Joachim is srsly pulling our legs here. He's even checked After Earth in the meantime. At least it's not Battlefield Earth.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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I think you're Tarris because he's very often present here, but never comments. That's your spare account, admit it. :folded:
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Sorry, guys. I expected to be online Friday evening 21PM, that's why I set the deadline there. Things turned out otherwise. After waking up today, I had lots of other things to do.

So here's the score:

1: Hungary (3.84 points)
2: Greece (3.76 points)
3: Taiwan (3.57 points)
4: Burkina Faso (3.43 points)
5: Bulgaria (3.35 points)
5: Lebanon (3.35 points)
7: Australia (3.3 points)
7: Uruguay (3.3 points)
9: Malaysia (3.24 points)
9: Norway (3.24 points)
11: Tajikistan (3.16 points)
12: Uzbekistan (3.11 points)
13: Philippines (3.08 points)
14: Cuba (3.05 points)
15: Denmark (3 points)
16: Syria (2.95 points)
17: Puerto Rico (2.46 points)

I thought about the tie between Malaysia and Norway in the meantime and the best way is to see how people voted head-to-head. So I went through all ballots and looked at which country each user preferred. Result? 15 people voted higher for Malaysia, 15 people voted higher for Norway and 7 people voted the same for both. So there's still a tie.

As said a few posts back, there's a problem with every way to break this tie. Most 5's also means most 1's, so I decided against it.

The easiest way that's also fair is a mini-poll between the two. I'll open that now in the OP. It will run for 24 hours.
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LOL another poll. :D
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Poll is open at page 1.
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So hoping for another tie. :P
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72allinncallme on Oct 28 2017, 06:28:32 AM wrote:So hoping for another tie. :P
I won't vote. If it's a tie, my vote picks the winner.
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Here are the 8 countries that have entered the tournament with their managers:

Hungary (tarr)
Greece (tommy_leazaq)
Taiwan (mjf314)
Burkina Faso (hurluberlu )
Bulgaria (Mario Gaborović)
Lebanon (Armoreska)
Australia (Daviddoes)
Uruguay (toro913)
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Thanks, you've made the best decisions, other than the whole let's wait 17 hours thing ^_^
Pity the head-to-head didnt work out.

So what I think of results:
Burkina Faso features after all, it and Mali share I think their best director, so it'll be weird if both countries pick a movie by the same director.

Australia was fighting for its spot, a bit surprising.

I called Puerto Rico haha even though me and other people gave it high points.

And yay, Lebanon totally rocked the competition, I would have expected it a bit, but only a bit lower. But that is less than 0.1 average point, so phew!
On other hand, Syria totally tanked.

I vote Malaysia, of course.
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I voted for the country that hasn’t participate in every WC yet.
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Armoreska on Oct 28 2017, 06:36:39 AM wrote:Thanks, you've made the best decisions, other than the whole let's wait 17 hours thing ^_^
Pity the head-to-head didnt work out.

So what I think of results:
Burkina Faso features after all, it and Mali share I think their best director, so it'll be weird if both countries pick a movie by the same director.

Australia was fighting for its spot, a bit surprising.

I called Puerto Rico haha even though me and other people gave it high points.

And yay, Lebanon totally rocked the competition, I would have expected it a bit, but only a bit lower. But that is less than 0.1 average point, so phew!

I vote Malaysia, of course.
I gave Australia a 1, cause although geographically it’s located somewhere else, culturally it’s basically another English speaking Western country. And it participated in every cup before.
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Lonewolf2003 on Oct 28 2017, 06:41:21 AM wrote:I gave Australia a 1, cause although geographically it’s located somewhere else, culturally it’s basically another English speaking Western country.
There's some Aboriginal films there to pick, I expect
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Norway can get a vacation, I'm interested in checking out Malay films.
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Mario is now the only manager to have maximum countries in all 3 seasons: 3,2,2.
At least 4 out of 9 are first-time managers.
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At least 11 countries will make their debut:

Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Dominican Republic, Latvia, Lebanon, Mali, Peru, Switzerland, Uruguay.
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Malaysia has a 2 point lead
7-5

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Don't care for either option.
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Armoreska on Oct 28 2017, 06:36:39 AM wrote:Australia was fighting for its spot, a bit surprising.
i gave Australia a 1. No offense there. I am just not so much interested in english spoken movies at the world cup :D.

Edit: I didnt see Lonewolf's post. Same reason here :cheers:
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monty on Oct 28 2017, 07:04:33 AM wrote:Don't care for either option.
Voting is not mandatory.
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Who are the managers of the excluded countries?
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sortile9io on Oct 28 2017, 07:43:59 AM wrote:Who are the managers of the excluded countries?
Tajikistan (clemmetarey)
Uzbekistan (beavis)
Philippines (RBG)
Cuba (PeacefulAnarchy)
Denmark (Gershwin)
Syria (zhangalan)
Puerto Rico (sacmersault)
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monty on Oct 28 2017, 07:04:33 AM wrote:Don't care for either option.
No national pride? Well I can relate.

A 2 point lead it still is.
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Armoreska on Oct 28 2017, 08:55:50 AM wrote:
monty on Oct 28 2017, 07:04:33 AM wrote:Don't care for either option.
No national pride? Well I can relate.

A 2 point lead it still is.
Norway should be a country of sporadic presence, not always there but neither absent too many times.
I completed pots, so at least now you can feel your rivals (if you guys are fine with this). The first two are seeded by quality, while the 3rd and the 4th are seeded by continents:

Pot 1: Czechia, England, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Poland, Russia, Spain, Taiwan*, USA
Pot 2: Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, Hong Kong, India, Iran, Mexico, Portugal, Romania, South Korea, Sweden
Pot 3: Austria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Finland, Georgia, Greece, Latvia, Netherlands, Serbia, Switzerland, Turkey
Pot 4: Bolivia, Burkina Faso, China, Dominican Republic, Lebanon, Malaysia**, Mali, Morocco, Peru, Thailand, Uruguay, Vietnam

*earned its place by making the Top 8 in the previous tournament.
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What is the reason for this division in pots, Mario? Did you just groups them by rough quality? I haven't looked into the pots closely, but the best idea I've read so far was:
1. best of Europe
2. least of Europe
3. best of rest of the world
4. least of rest of the world.

What if Norway wins the poll? I don't think it belong to pot 4 in the place of Malaysia.
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joachimt on Oct 28 2017, 09:55:31 AM wrote:What is the reason for this division in pots, Mario? Did you just groups them by rough quality? I haven't looked into the pots closely, but the best idea I've read so far was:
1. best of Europe
2. least of Europe
3. best of rest of the world
4. least of rest of the world.

What if Norway wins the poll? I don't think it belong to pot 4 in the place of Malaysia.
If Norway wins, I'll just replace two, three or four countries and that's it.

The idea I previously had (the one you posted) was mine, but I felt people would object the possibility of France and Japan (or France and USA, or Italy and Japan, or Italy and USA) being in the same group at the very start, so I conceived another system.
Yet thinking more about it, it's the other two of that possible group which would have trouble on their shoulders.
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joachimt on Oct 28 2017, 09:55:31 AM wrote:What is the reason for this division in pots, Mario? Did you just groups them by rough quality? I haven't looked into the pots closely, but the best idea I've read so far was:
1. best of Europe
2. least of Europe
3. best of rest of the world
4. least of rest of the world.

What if Norway wins the poll? I don't think it belong to pot 4 in the place of Malaysia.
Pretend Georgia is not in Europe and put it in pot 4 and Norway in Pot3.

There are still 12 Euro countries and 12 non-Euro countries in the top 2 pots, so it's trivially easy to ensure only two Euro countries per group, while avoiding Japan and USA (and Taiwan) going up against a top Euro country.

Taiwan in the top pot is weird, but I guess it makes sense to reward world cup performance in the last round. I'd switch Turkey and Romania, but those pots look reasonable to me..
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joachimt on Oct 28 2017, 06:32:15 AM wrote:Here are the 8 countries that have entered the tournament with their managers:

Burkina Faso (hurluberlu )
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Burkina Faso features after all, it and Mali share I think their best director, so it'll be weird if both countries pick a movie by the same director.
Most of the films from the region are coproductions so there could be some debate but let's wait and see.
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There isn't much debate about that, except maybe in case of Sarraounia which is actually Burkinabe film.
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I vote for Norway.

How long do managers have to decide on an opening film? Just so that I have some idea. Been mulling over plenty of Latvian options.
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Pretty sure there's 2 more months! But dont quote me.

Malaysia 15:12

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RogerTheMovieManiac88 on Oct 28 2017, 10:36:27 AM wrote:I vote for Norway.

How long do managers have to decide on an opening film? Just so that I have some idea. Been mulling over plenty of Latvian options.
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Mario Gaborović on Oct 28 2017, 10:05:50 AM wrote:
joachimt on Oct 28 2017, 09:55:31 AM wrote:What is the reason for this division in pots, Mario? Did you just groups them by rough quality? I haven't looked into the pots closely, but the best idea I've read so far was:
1. best of Europe
2. least of Europe
3. best of rest of the world
4. least of rest of the world.

What if Norway wins the poll? I don't think it belong to pot 4 in the place of Malaysia.
If Norway wins, I'll just replace two, three or four countries and that's it.

The idea I previously had (the one you posted) was mine, but I felt people would object the possibility of France and Japan (or France and USA, or Italy and Japan, or Italy and USA) being in the same group at the very start, so I conceived another system.
Yet thinking more about it, it's the other two of that possible group which would have trouble on their shoulders.
I don't see any problem with France and Japan in one group the first round (for example). There are two countries proceeding per group. Tough luck for the other two then.
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First let's see if Norway or Malaysia proceeds. Then I'll try to divide the countries the way I posted above without looking at the proposals so far. After that I'll compare and it's open for discussion.

If anyone is worried about it: No, I won't do a poll about the pots. :lol:
I'll consider proposals and decide myself. In the end there's always a matter of chance in the drawing of the groups.
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joachimt on Oct 28 2017, 10:55:55 AM wrote:
Mario Gaborović on Oct 28 2017, 10:05:50 AM wrote:
joachimt on Oct 28 2017, 09:55:31 AM wrote:What is the reason for this division in pots, Mario? Did you just groups them by rough quality? I haven't looked into the pots closely, but the best idea I've read so far was:
1. best of Europe
2. least of Europe
3. best of rest of the world
4. least of rest of the world.

What if Norway wins the poll? I don't think it belong to pot 4 in the place of Malaysia.
If Norway wins, I'll just replace two, three or four countries and that's it.

The idea I previously had (the one you posted) was mine, but I felt people would object the possibility of France and Japan (or France and USA, or Italy and Japan, or Italy and USA) being in the same group at the very start, so I conceived another system.
Yet thinking more about it, it's the other two of that possible group which would have trouble on their shoulders.
I don't see any problem with France and Japan in one group the first round (for example). There are two countries proceeding per group. Tough luck for the other two then.
But it takes no effort to avoid it.
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PeacefulAnarchy on Oct 28 2017, 10:58:56 AM wrote:
joachimt on Oct 28 2017, 10:55:55 AM wrote:
Mario Gaborović on Oct 28 2017, 10:05:50 AM wrote:If Norway wins, I'll just replace two, three or four countries and that's it.

The idea I previously had (the one you posted) was mine, but I felt people would object the possibility of France and Japan (or France and USA, or Italy and Japan, or Italy and USA) being in the same group at the very start, so I conceived another system.
Yet thinking more about it, it's the other two of that possible group which would have trouble on their shoulders.
I don't see any problem with France and Japan in one group the first round (for example). There are two countries proceeding per group. Tough luck for the other two then.
But it takes no effort to avoid it.
To avoid it, we would simply divide the countries into tier 1 to tier 4, no matter what region they're from.
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joachimt on Oct 28 2017, 11:01:01 AM wrote:
PeacefulAnarchy on Oct 28 2017, 10:58:56 AM wrote:
joachimt on Oct 28 2017, 10:55:55 AM wrote:I don't see any problem with France and Japan in one group the first round (for example). There are two countries proceeding per group. Tough luck for the other two then.
But it takes no effort to avoid it.
To avoid it, we would simply divide the countries into tier 1 to tier 4, no matter what region they're from.
But the point is you can do both. Ensure exactly two European countries per group and ensure that the tippy top Euro countries aren't matched up against the tippy top rest of the world countries.
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