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Year-by-Year Polls: 1929 (CLOSED)

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Welcome to the Year-by-Year Poll. This poll is for the year 1929.

These polls are fairly simple. We work our way through film history selecting a different year each time, and you list your top films from the given year. Depending on the number of voters, the poll usually produces a list of around 50-90 films and is a great way of finding recommendations. Lots of people will also list other films outside their top 20 as honorable mentions or runners-up.

The Rules

- You can vote for a minimum of 5 and a maximum of 20 films.

- Feature films, documentaries, short films, TV movies, and TV mini-series are all eligible, but not continuing TV series or individual TV episodes.

- We use IMDb dates for consistency, so a title should be listed on IMDb as 1929.

- Your ballot can be either ranked or unranked. For ranked ballots, you must use a numbered list.

- IMPORTANT: Along with a list of the titles from 1929, please include the corresponding list of bare IMDb urls for the same films. Your ballot cannot be counted if the IMDb urls are not included. (On the other hand, if you include the urls, but not the list of titles, then the poll will be no fun because your fellow forum members can't see what you are voting for. So please make sure to include both lists.)

The Scoring

For ranked ballots, the top-ranked title will receive a number of points equal to the number of titles on the ballot, with each succeeding title receiving one fewer point. So the top title on a list of 20 films will receive 20 points, the next 19 points and so on. If the list has only 10 films, the top title will receive 10 points, the next one 9, and so on. If there are 5 films on the list, the top film will receive 5 points, the next one 4 ... you get the idea.

For unranked ballots, each title will receive an equal share of the total points that would have been allotted to the ballot if it had been ranked. If there are 20 films on the ballot, this means each one would receive 10.5 points.

Some resources

1929 films with the sorted by most votes on IMDb

1929 films you've rated on IMDb

Wikipedia's 1929 in film article

1929 films you've checked on ICM

1929 films you *haven't* checked on ICM


Previous poll results as ICM lists

2017: 1940 results, 1981 results, 2005 results, 1927 results, 1968 results, 1939 results, 1976 results, 1997 results
2018: 1958 results, 2017 results, 1948 results, 1983 results, 1969 results, 1925 results, 1991 results, 1957 results, 2006 results
2019: 2018 results, 1932 results, 1972 results, 1942 results, 1987 results, 1964 results, 1994 results, 2007 results, 1955 results
2020: 2019 results, 1945 results, 1935 results, 1974 results, 1960 results, 1951 results, 2008 results, 1966 results, 1944 results
2021: 1980 results

Also provided for your reference:
Top 10s (all years)
Top 25s (all years)

The Deadline

I plan to close this poll on Sunday, February 21, at 10 AM Eastern Standard Time, that is, on Sunday morning for U.S. participants. You may revise or add a ballot anytime until the poll is indicated closed in the subject header.

The next poll will be for 1998, followed by 1933.
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gromit82 wrote: February 2nd, 2021, 1:07 am 2021: 1929 results
That should be 1980 results, not 1929
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1. Chelovek s kino-apparatom [AKA The Man with a Movie Camera]
2. Big Business
3. Un chien andalou [AKA An Andalusian Dog]
4. The Love Parade
5. Tagebuch einer Verlorenen [AKA Diary of a Lost Girl]
6. Novyy Vavilon [AKA The New Babylon]
7. Die Büchse der Pandora [AKA Pandora' Box]
8. Marianne
9. Frau im Mond [AKA Woman in the Moon]
10. Liberty
11. Laila
12. Lucky Star
13. Montparnasse
14. Regen [AKA Rain]
15. The Hoose-Gow
16. The Trespasser
17. Gold Diggers of Broadway
18. Thunderbolt
19. The Broadway Melody
20. Boxing Gloves
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frbrown wrote: February 2nd, 2021, 1:16 am
gromit82 wrote: February 2nd, 2021, 1:07 am 2021: 1929 results
That should be 1980 results, not 1929
Thanks, it's fixed now.
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1. Eternal Love (Ernst Lubitsch)
2. The Way of Lost Souls (Paul Czinner)
3. Hjärtats triumf (Gustaf Molander)
4. A Cottage on Dartmoor (Anthony Asquith)
5. Jenseits der Straße - Eine Tragödie des Alltags (Leo Mittler)
6. Erotikon (Gustav Machatý)
7. Frau im Mond (Fritz Lang)
8. Brumes d'automne (Dimitri Kirsanoff)
9. Finis Terrae (Jean Epstein)
10. Rågens Rike (Ivar Johansson)
11. Tagebuch einer Verlorenen (G.W. Pabst)
12. Peau de pêche (Jean Benoît-Lévy/Marie Epstein)
13. Lucky Star (Frank Borzage)
14. Mutter Krausens Fahrt ins Glück (Phil Jutzi)
15. Gardiens de phare (Jean Grémillon)
16. A Dança dos Paroxismos (Jorge Brum do Canto)
17. Regen (Joris Ivens)
18. La perle (Henri d’Ursel)
19. Thunderbolt (Josef von Sternberg)
20. Die wunderbare Lüge der Nina Petrowna (Hanns Schwarz)


https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0019852/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0153666/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0019990/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020793/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020044/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0019850/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0019901/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0233385/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0295259/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043985/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020475/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020263/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020122/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020193/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0130730/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0019802/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020321/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0263857/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020499/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020608/
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1 - Mutter Krausens Fahrt ins Glück - 4.5
2 - Novyy Vavilon - 4.5
3 - Tagebuch einer Verlorenen - 4.5
4 - Jenseits der Straße - Eine Tragödie des Alltags - 4.5
5 - Vesnoy - 4
6 - Cottage on Dartmoor, A - 4
7 - Blackmail - 4
8 - Chemi Bebia - 4
9 - Lucky Star - 4
10 - The White Hell of Pitz Palu - 4
11 - Erotikon - 4
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1. Arsenal (Dovzhenko)
2. Man with a Movie Camera (Vertov)
3. Pandora's Box (Pabst)
4. The Mysteries of the Chateau de De (Ray)
5. Vesnoy (Kaufman)
6. Old and New (Eisenstein)
7. H2O (Steiner)
8. Regen (Ivens)
9. Autumn Mists (Kirsanoff)
10. The Manxman (Hitchcock)

And last-minute links! Sorry for the delay gromit, just squeezed in the Eisenstein.
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prodigalgodson wrote: February 2nd, 2021, 7:19 am Will be checking back for recs...
And to post IMDb links....
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01. Oblomok imperii
02. Staroye i novoye
03. Finis terrae
04. Seven Footprints to Satan
05. Gardiens de phare
06. Die wunderbare Lüge der Nina Petrowna
07. Spite Marriage
08. Chelovek s kino-apparatom
09. Novyy Vavilon
10. Erotikon
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joachimt wrote: February 2nd, 2021, 4:57 pm
prodigalgodson wrote: February 2nd, 2021, 7:19 am Will be checking back for recs...
And to post IMDb links....
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1 . Die Büchse der Pandora ( Georg Wilhelm Pabst )
2 . Arsenal ( Aleksandr Dovzhenko )
3 . Regen ( Joris Ivens, Mannus Franken )
4 . Tagebuch einer Verlorenen ( Georg Wilhelm Pabst )
5 . Frau im Mond ( Fritz Lang )
6 . A Cottage on Dartmoor ( Anthony Asquith )
7 . Un chien andalou ( Luis Buñuel )
8 . Goluboy ekspress ( Ilya Trauberg )
9 . Chelovek s kino-apparatom ( Dziga Vertov )
10 . Les nouveaux messieurs ( Jacques Feyder )
11 . Erotikon ( Gustav Machatý )
12 . Blackmail ( Alfred Hitchcock )
13 . Big Business ( Leo McCarey, James W. Horne )
14 . Étude cinégraphique sur une arabesque ( Germaine Dulac )
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1 BLACKMAIL
2 BROADWAY
3 PICCADILLY
4 THUNDERBOLT
5 THE FOUR FEATHERS
6 PANDORA'S BOX
7 THE MARRIAGE PLAYGROUND
8 THE SHOW OF SHOWS

My pre 1930 knowledge V patchy so am not going to risk predictions...

of my ballot BROADWAY seems underappreciated
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and THE MARRIAGE PLAYGROUND is a neglected adaptation of Edith Wharton's THE CHILDREN with Mary Brian, Fredric March and Kay Francis.
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https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0019702/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0019725/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_3
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020269/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020499/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_7
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0018908/?ref_=fn_al_tt_4
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0018737/?ref_=fn_al_tt_3
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020146/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020403/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2
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This year is torn between the ocean and the city for me. 5 water films (one of them city themed as well) and 4 city films, and then Un chien which ends by the sea shore.

1. In Spring / Vesnoy (Kauffman)
2. Étude cinégraphique sur une arabesque (Dulac)
3. Drifters (Grierson)
4. Finis terrae (Epstein)
5. Autumn Mists / Brumes d'automne (Kirsanoff)
6. Man With a Movie Camera / Chelovek s kino-apparatom (Vertov)
7. Regen (Ivens & Franken)
8. Asphalt (May)
9. H20 (Steiner)
10. The Andalusian Dog / Un chien andalou (Buñuel)
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1. Die Büchse der Pandora (Georg W. Pabst)
2. Frau im Mond (Fritz Lang)
3. Chelovek s kino-apparatom (Dziga Vertov)
4. Staroye i novoye (Sergei Eisenstein)
5. Mutter Krausens Fahrt ins Glück (Phil Jutzi)
6. Tagebuch einer Verlorenen (Georg W. Pabst)
7. Die Frau, nach der man sich sehnt (Curtis Bernhardt)
8. Un chien andalou (Luis Buñuel)
9. Blackmail (Alfred Hitchcock)
10. Lucky Star (Frank Borzage)
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Ranked list:

1. Lucky Star (Frank Borzage)
2. Die Büchse der Pandora / Pandora's Box (Georg Wilhelm Pabst)
3. Staroye i novoye (Generalnaya liniya) / The Old and the New (The General Line) (Sergei Eisenstein and Grigori Aleksandrov)
4. Vesnoy / In Spring (Mikhail Kaufman)
5. Fue no shiratama / Eternal Heart / Undying Pearl (Hiroshi Shimizu)
6. Big Business (James W. Horne and Leo McCarey)
7. Chemi bebia / My Grandmother (Kote Mikaberidze)
8. Chiny i lyudi / Rank and People / An Hour with Chekhov (Mikhail Doller and Yakov Protazanov)
9. Saba (Mikheil Chiaureli)
10. The Love Parade (Ernst Lubitsch)
11. Maman Colibri / Mother Hummingbird (Julien Duvivier)
12. Perfect Day (James Parrott)
13. Arsenal (Aleksandr Dovzhenko)
14. Un chien andalou / The Andalusian Dog (Luis Buñuel)
15. Novyy Vavilon / The New Babylon (Grigori Kozintsev and Leonid Trauberg )
16. Mutter Krausens Fahrt ins Glück / Mother Krause's Journey to Happiness (Phil Jutzi)
17. Spite Marriage (Edward Sedgwick and Buster Keaton)
18. Thunderbolt (Josef von Sternberg)
19. Chelovek s kino-apparatom / The Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov)
20. Hallelujah! (King Vidor)



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1. MAN WITH A MOVIE CAMERA (Dziga Vertov)
2. UN CHIEN ANDALOU (Luis Buñuel)
3. DIARY OF A LOST GIRL (G.W. Pabst)
4. BLACKMAIL (Alfred Hitchcock)
5. THE LOVE PARADE (Ernst Lubitsch)
6. THUNDERBOLT (Josef von Sternberg)
7. THE SKELETON DANCE (Walt Disney)
8. PANDORA’S BOX (G.W. Pabst)
9. THE KISS (Jacques Feyder)
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Ranked:

1. A Cottage on Dartmoor
2. Frau im Mond [aka Woman in the Moon]
3. Die Büchse der Pandora [aka Pandora' Box]
4. The General Line [aka Old and New]
5. Asphalt
6. Blackmail
7. Tagebuch einer Verlorenen [aka Diary of a Lost Girl]

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Undoubtedly one of the best years of the 20s, and certainly better than most recent years in cinema. Every film down to 11th is a favourite.

*Dans la nuit (1929, Charles Vanel) has been removed as it is once again classified as a 1930 film. It was #3.
*Queen Kelly (1929, Erich von Stroheim) has been removed as it is now classified as 1932. It was #17

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1. Novyy Vavilon / The New Babylon (1929, Grigori Kozintsev & Leonid Trauberg)
2. Finis terrae (1929, Jean Epstein)
3. Vesnoy / In Spring (1929, Mikhail Kaufman)
4. Arsenal (1929, Aleksandr Dovzhenko)
5. Die Büchse der Pandora / Pandora's Box (1929, Georg Wilhelm Pabst)

6. Chemi bebia / My Grandmother (1929, Kote Mikaberidze)
7. Zhivoy trup / The Living Corpse (1929, Fyodor Otsep)
8. Gardiens de phare / The Lighthouse Keepers (1929, Jean Grémillon)
9. Tagebuch einer Verlorenen / Diary of a Lost Girl (1929, Georg Wilhelm Pabst)
10. Chelovek s kino-apparatom / The Man with the Movie Camera (1929, Dziga Vertov)

11. Histoire de détective (1929, Charles Dekeukeleire)
12. Rayon de soleil (1929, Jean Gourguet & Georges Péclet)
13. Adieu Mascotte (1929, Wilhelm Thiele)
14. Die weiße Hölle vom Piz Palü / The White Hell of Piz Palü (1929, Arnold Fanck & Georg Wilhelm Pabst)
15. Drifters (1929, John Grierson)

16. Peau de pêche / Peach Skin (1929, Jean Benoît-Lévy & Marie Epstein)
17. Frau im Mond / Woman in the Moon (1929, Fritz Lang)
18. Shkurnyk / The Self Seeker (1929, Nikolai Shpikovsky)
19. Varhaník u sv. Víta / The Organist of St. Vitus Cathedral (1929, Martin Fric)
20. Fue no shiratama / Eternal Heart / Undying Pearl (1929, Hiroshi Shimizu)

Honourable mentions:

Prapancha Pash / A Throw of the Dice (1929, Franz Osten)
Segodnya / Today (1929, Esfir Shub)
Khlib / Bread (1929, Nikolai Shpikovsky)
Spite Marriage (1929, Edward Sedgwick & Buster Keaton)
Le capitaine Fracasse (1929, Alberto Cavalcanti & Henry Wulschleger)
Die wunderbare Lüge der Nina Petrowna / The Wonderful Lies of Nina Petrovna (1929, Hanns Schwarz)
Laila (1929, George Schnéevoigt)
Goluboy ekspress / China Express (1929, Ilya Trauberg)
A Dança dos Paroxismos (1929, Jorge Brum do Canto)
Komunaris chibukhi / The Communard's Pipe (1929, Kote Mardjanishvili)
Erotikon (1929, Gustav Machatý)
La merveilleuse vie de Jeanne d'Arc / Saint Joan the Maid (1929, Marco de Gastyne)
Chiny i lyudi / An Hour with Chekhov / Ranks and People (1929, Mikhail Doller & Yakov Protazanov)


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https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0295259/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0226590
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0019649/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0018737/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0249816
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0019609/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0130730/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020475
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0019760/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0230297/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0798877/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0019623/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020570/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0019838/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020263/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0019901
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2544016/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0169359/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0335110/
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Would be cool if these links could be added to the previous results section :)
Top 10s (all years)
Top 25s (all years)
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Well I'm pretty useless for this poll, I have only seen The New Babylon, and I didn't enjoy it at all.
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1. Brumes d'automne (Dimitri Kirsanoff)
2. Finis terrae (Jean Epstein)
3. Images d'Ostende (Henri Storck)
4. La perle (Henri d'Ursel)
5. A dança dos Paroxismos (Jorge Brum do Canto)
6. Chelovek s kino-apparatom / Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov)
7. Turksib (Victor A. Turin)
8. A Cottage on Dartmoor (Anthony Asquith)
9. Jenseits der Straße - Eine Tragödie des Alltags (Leo Mittler)
10. Regen (Mannus Franken, Joris Ivens)
11. H2O (Ralph Steiner)
12. Säg det i toner (Julius Jaenzon, Edvin Adolphson)
13. Mocny czlowiek / A Strong Man (Henryk Szaro)
14. Die Frau, nach der man sich sehnt (Curtis Bernhardt)
15. Varhaník u sv. Víta / The Organist at St. Vitus' Cathedral (Martin Fric)
16. Die weiße Hölle vom Piz Palü / White Hell of Pitz Palu (Arnold Fanck, Georg Wilhelm Pabst)
17. Chemi bebia / My Grandmother (Kote Mikaberidze)
18. Oblomok imperii / Fragment of an Empire (Fridrikh Ermler)
19. Hjärtats triumf / The Triumph of the Heart (Gustaf Molander)
20. Astero (Dimitris Gaziadis)

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Melvelet wrote: February 8th, 2021, 11:25 am Would be cool if these links could be added to the previous results section :)
Top 10s (all years)
Top 25s (all years)
I've just added those links.
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Hi gromit.

I was just looking through some films for this poll in anticipation of assembling a ballot of sorts and I realised that Mario Camerini's 'Rotaie' / 'Rails' has been moved from 1929 to 1931 on IMDb. It was made in 1929 and then later ''sonorized'' for re-release. I have always thought of it as a 1929 film and would certainly vote for it here.

At your leisure, would you be willing to make a ruling as to the film's eligibility for this poll?
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RogerTheMovieManiac88 wrote: February 12th, 2021, 1:32 pm I was just looking through some films for this poll in anticipation of assembling a ballot of sorts and I realised that Mario Camerini's 'Rotaie' / 'Rails' has been moved from 1929 to 1931 on IMDb. It was made in 1929 and then later ''sonorized'' for re-release. I have always thought of it as a 1929 film and would certainly vote for it here.

At your leisure, would you be willing to make a ruling as to the film's eligibility for this poll?
If anyone has any additional information that would bear on this question, please post it here in this thread.
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gromit82 wrote: February 12th, 2021, 4:05 pm
RogerTheMovieManiac88 wrote: February 12th, 2021, 1:32 pm I was just looking through some films for this poll in anticipation of assembling a ballot of sorts and I realised that Mario Camerini's 'Rotaie' / 'Rails' has been moved from 1929 to 1931 on IMDb. It was made in 1929 and then later ''sonorized'' for re-release. I have always thought of it as a 1929 film and would certainly vote for it here.

At your leisure, would you be willing to make a ruling as to the film's eligibility for this poll?
If anyone has any additional information that would bear on this question, please post it here in this thread.
If you can find a release date for this film in 1929, you can update the imdb info and the year will switch back to 1929 in a day or two.
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Fergenaprido wrote: February 14th, 2021, 1:08 am
gromit82 wrote: February 12th, 2021, 4:05 pm
RogerTheMovieManiac88 wrote: February 12th, 2021, 1:32 pm I was just looking through some films for this poll in anticipation of assembling a ballot of sorts and I realised that Mario Camerini's 'Rotaie' / 'Rails' has been moved from 1929 to 1931 on IMDb. It was made in 1929 and then later ''sonorized'' for re-release. I have always thought of it as a 1929 film and would certainly vote for it here.

At your leisure, would you be willing to make a ruling as to the film's eligibility for this poll?
If anyone has any additional information that would bear on this question, please post it here in this thread.
If you can find a release date for this film in 1929, you can update the imdb info and the year will switch back to 1929 in a day or two.
I found this reference on Antti Alanen's wonderful blog (https://anttialanenfilmdiary.blogspot.c ... otaie.html):

A version of the film also survives with synchronised music by Marcel Lattes, which was distributed by Cines without the approval of the director. This version was passed by the censorship on 30 June 1930 and was released in Rome in March 1931. There is no record of a public screening of the silent version and Camerini himself could not recall if it was ever released.

Wikipedia though records a release in March 1929 (possibly confused with March 1931), and all the other film sites that I checked have it as a 1929 film. I think it is this uncertainty about whether the silent version was released or the scale of release that has made an IMDb contributor plump for the firmer information that is available around the ''sonorized'' updating and subsequent release of this version in 1931.

I believe that I watched the silent version, in any case.
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Regarding 'Rotaie', Francesco Pasinetti said this:

In June 1929 Augustus, a Roman publishing house founded by a group of young people led by Blasetti, gave birth to the Sun, the first film in the new Italian cinematography. The second Augustus film was to be Rotaie, directed by Camerini, a young director not new to the laying theaters, who at that time already counted a few years of activity and a keen desire to follow paths not too beaten: it will be he who later will give us Figaro, certainly the most graceful and intelligently enjoyable film of our new cinematography.

Yeah, I think I will switch it back to 1929 - as long as there aren't any objections.

Thanks for the suggestion, ferg!
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RogerTheMovieManiac88 wrote: February 12th, 2021, 1:32 pm I was just looking through some films for this poll in anticipation of assembling a ballot of sorts and I realised that Mario Camerini's 'Rotaie' / 'Rails' has been moved from 1929 to 1931 on IMDb. It was made in 1929 and then later ''sonorized'' for re-release. I have always thought of it as a 1929 film and would certainly vote for it here.

At your leisure, would you be willing to make a ruling as to the film's eligibility for this poll?
Just to note, our predecessor poll on IMDb polled the films of 1929 in 2011; 1930 in 2012; and 1931 in 2010. Rotaie didn't place in the results in any of those years, so that doesn't provide any evidence either way.
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RogerTheMovieManiac88 wrote: February 14th, 2021, 1:45 am
Fergenaprido wrote: February 14th, 2021, 1:08 am
gromit82 wrote: February 12th, 2021, 4:05 pm

If anyone has any additional information that would bear on this question, please post it here in this thread.
If you can find a release date for this film in 1929, you can update the imdb info and the year will switch back to 1929 in a day or two.
I found this reference on Antti Alanen's wonderful blog (https://anttialanenfilmdiary.blogspot.c ... otaie.html):

A version of the film also survives with synchronised music by Marcel Lattes, which was distributed by Cines without the approval of the director. This version was passed by the censorship on 30 June 1930 and was released in Rome in March 1931. There is no record of a public screening of the silent version and Camerini himself could not recall if it was ever released.

Wikipedia though records a release in March 1929 (possibly confused with March 1931), and all the other film sites that I checked have it as a 1929 film. I think it is this uncertainty about whether the silent version was released or the scale of release that has made an IMDb contributor plump for the firmer information that is available around the ''sonorized'' updating and subsequent release of this version in 1931.

I believe that I watched the silent version, in any case.
Okay, I dug deeper.

Italian wikipedia says it was made in 1930 and released in 1931.
English wikipedia says it was made and released in 1929, with a reference. With luck, the entire book that is used as the reference is on Google Books: https://books.google.ca/books?id=ovIYrM ... ie&f=false
Page 33 wrote:As many historians have noted, Rotaie (The Rails) was one of the few Italian films that was produced in 1929 and that made that year a watershed for the beleaguered Italian film industry.29
Page 47 wrote:29. Rotaie was filmed in 1929 but not released until 1931, after sound had been added to the original silent version.
That's the best I can find. All this research has made me interested in the film. Found a copy on YT, but I'm sure there's a better (and more complete/longer) version out there somewhere.
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RogerTheMovieManiac88 wrote: February 14th, 2021, 2:05 am Regarding 'Rotaie', Francesco Pasinetti said this:

In June 1929 Augustus, a Roman publishing house founded by a group of young people led by Blasetti, gave birth to the Sun, the first film in the new Italian cinematography. The second Augustus film was to be Rotaie, directed by Camerini, a young director not new to the laying theaters, who at that time already counted a few years of activity and a keen desire to follow paths not too beaten: it will be he who later will give us Figaro, certainly the most graceful and intelligently enjoyable film of our new cinematography.

Yeah, I think I will switch it back to 1929 - as long as there aren't any objections.

Thanks for the suggestion, ferg!
Your quote doesn't actually say it was released in 1929. In fact, the wording "was to be" indicates to me that it wasn't released, and that something happened to prevent it.
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Thank you for the digging, Ferg! I read ''was to be'' as saying that it was released in 1929. I can hold off on editing the IMDb entry, if you think it wise.

It is certainly a remarkable and important film in Italian cinema, both for its industrial, working-class grittiness and the understated power and intimacy to the performances in delving into themes such as honour, love, and necessity.

Thinking of the film is making me rather eager to re-watch it, haha!

:cheers:

EDIT... It played the Pordenone Silent Film Festival in 2009 and they list it as a 1929 film: http://www.cinetecadelfriuli.org/gcm/ed ... e2009.html.
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French wikipedia says that Rotaie's silent version was released in 1930. No release dates provided, though.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rails_(film)
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One (talkie) ranked
1. Dynamite

The rest (silent) unranked
Asphalt
Die weiße Hölle vom Piz Palü (The White Hell of Pitz Palu)
Die wunderbare Lüge der Nina Petrowna (The Wonderful Lies of Nina Petrovna)
Erotikon (Seduction)
Hjärtats triumf (The Triumph of the Heart)
Jenseits der Straße - Eine Tragödie des Alltags (Harbor Drift)
La femme et le pantin (The Woman and the Puppet)
La merveilleuse vie de Jeanne d'Arc (Saint Joan the Maid)
Lady of the Pavements
Laila
Les nouveaux messieurs (The New Gentlemen)
Lucky Star
Mutter Krausens Fahrt ins Glück (Mother Krause's Journey to Happiness)
Oblomok imperii (Fragment of an Empire)
Peau de pêche (Peach Skin)
The Informer
The Way of Lost Souls
Where East Is East
Wild Orchids
Spoiler
Deliberately excluded (IMDb/TSPDT/S&S top 500)
Chelovek s kino-apparatom
Die Büchse der Pandora
Un chien andalou

To see before the dealine
Their Own Desire
Thunderbolt

Wanted
Den starkaste
Hearts in Dixie
Sunny Side Up
The Dance of Life
Tokai kokyogaku
Trent's Last Case
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I'm not keen on this era of cinema, but these 4 were real good. Ranked in order from top.

1. Tusalava (1929 - Len Lye)
2. Hell's Bells (1929 - Ub Iwerks)
3. The Skeleton Dance (1929 - Walt Disney)
4. Lucky Star (1929 - Frank Borzage)
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Angel Glez wrote: February 14th, 2021, 12:07 pm French wikipedia says that Rotaie's silent version was released in 1930. No release dates provided, though.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rails_(film)
Thanks Angel. I am inclined to think that the 1930 date is merely an awkward and perhaps uninformed ''compromise'' or attempt at selecting the middle-ground between the two options.

From what I have read, I highly suspect that it is a 1929 film that for whatever reason was not released and was then given these sound effects in 1931 to bring it in line with the sound era. The Fondazione Cineteca Italiana has restored the original 1929 version of the film, which has played at the Festa del Cinema di Roma. It seems egregious and misplaced to me to attach the year 1931 to this particular version of the film. Perhaps there should be separate IMDb entries for the (apparently) originally unreleased but now available 1929 version and the 1931 ''sonorized'' version...

From romacinemafest.it:
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30 years after the death of director Mario Camerini, the Rome International Film Festival pays tribute to him with the screening, for the first time, of the silent film Rotaie, in its version restored by the Fondazione Cineteca Italiana in Milan. In fact, while the sonorized version, not approved by the director, was presented in 1931, there is no documentation on public screenings of the silent version. The vision is accompanied by live music by Carlo Casillo (guitars, live computers, glockenspiel), Roberto Caberlotto (accordion), Nicola Fadanelli (viola), Mariano De Tassis (percussion, live eletronic effects), between melodic themes and electronic music, references to futurist music and evocative effects and buttons. Rotaie is a classic in the historiography of Italian cinema, of which it represents the rebirth after the crisis of the second half of the 1920s. Casino sequences are the real core of the film, and it's no coincidence that camerini gets involved with his only cinematic appearance, the biggest close-up of the sequence. The digital restoration, of a conservative and non-invasive nature, carried out at the Immagine Ritrovata in Bologna between 2010 and 2011, faithfully returned the photographic qualities of the original vintage support. On the occasion of the 30th anniversary, "The archives of the '900" have created a monograph dedicated to Mario Camerini, curated by Arnaldo Colasanti and Ernesto Nicosia, in which the most authoritative exegetes of the director collaborated, illustrated drawing on the rich archive of the National Cineteca of the Experimental Center of Cinematography, presented during the Festival at the Auditorium Bookshop.
Mario Camerini's silent film Rotaie in a restored version will be presented for the first time at the Rome International Film Festival; the film is screened with live musical accompaniment by Carlo Casillo, Roberto Caberlotto, Nicola Fadanelli, Mariano De Tassis.

Rotaie
Directed by Mario Camerini, Italy, 1929, 74'
Cast: Käthe Von Nagy, Maurizio D'ancora, Daniele Crespi, Aldo Moschino, Mario Camerini
Copia preserved and restored by Fondazione Cineteca Italiana.
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