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Let's face it, most of us are list freaks. Why else would we be on ICM. And by enjoying lists, many of us also like making them. The forum truly thrives when a poll is active. It's a great way to get together around the films we love (and then have angry people rip the films a new one for being trash underserving of getting on the list :verymad: )

So far most polls have been rather spontaneous and have been up to whatever the poll creator was interested in doing. This won't stop, obviously, no need to make things too structured. But how about voicing your interests. What do you think would be a great poll to have in the near future?

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How to host a poll:
1. Make the voting thread.
2. Download the IMDb and iCM lists at the deadline. You can use this script (recommended) or this Java program, or you can do it manually. The filenames should be the usernames. If the list is unranked, put (unranked) at the end of the filename. If the list is partially-ranked, put (unrankedX) at the end of the filename, where X is the number of ranked films.
3. Use this program to calculate the results. The program should be in the same folder as the lists, and you should have a file called scoring.txt. The 1st line should be the half-life, and the 2nd line should be the point value of a #1 vote. Half-life=50 works well for most polls, but you may want to change it depending on the average list size. Optionally, if you want to make some films ineligible, create a file called ineligible.txt with a list of IMDb URLs (1 per line).
4. Use Excel to sort the lists by points, add the list to iCM (or IMDb), and export the list to get the titles and years.
5. Find and add screenshots to the spreadsheet (you can ask people for help, if you want).
6. Use Excel to generate the result posts (you can reuse Excel formulas from old polls).
7. Make the results thread, and post the results. You can use this script to post the results, or you can manually copy/paste the posts from the spreadsheet.
8. If you want to create an IMDb list of the results, you can use the IMDb List Helper script.
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Best TV show ? Even though I probably wouldn't participate, it might be a great way to motivate ourselves to watch some we've been postponing.
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I second TV shows. I actually thought about starting up that poll a few months ago, but it's a little tricky (do you include everything? Or separate polls for animated shows, sitcoms, dramas, mini-series, etc.?) so I ditched the idea. Probably worth doing at some point, though.

Others:

Film Noir
Docs
Westerns
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YES FOR DOCS
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Historical costume drama
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I'm still hoping for a cinematography poll. If no one else wants to run it then I might run it myself someday, but I'm hoping someone else will do it because I really hate looking for screenshots.
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Hey I'll have some free time in a couple of weeks so I'd like to do a "films by female directors" poll. I'd probably do it by hand just because so many of my favorites aren't on imdb, though I doubt it would make a big difference. Any interest?
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obviously I'd accept IMDb lists still.
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Another vote for Docs, Film Noir, Westerns.

I also like the country polls... Italian cinema would be a good candidate for the next one.
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Yeah, I was thinking about what other country polls we could do. Italy is definitely up there. Maybe Germany? I've not seen many spanish films but that would be a contender too. I definitely need to get more familiar with the cinema of certain countries.
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Perhaps Sweden. Would be interesting to see which Swedish films "the international crowd" likes. Det stora äventyret, which made DtC, is obviously one of them.
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Would anyone be interested in a "most unique films" poll?
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I'd be interested in the TV poll if we are given a good amount of time to watch a couple of shows (namely The Wire.)
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mjf314 on Apr 17 2013, 04:07:03 PM wrote:Would anyone be interested in a "most unique films" poll?
Hell yeah!

One question though, would we be voting for the best unique films, or just the most unique films regardless of how we feel about them?

I'd be in either way, but I'd prefer promoting films I love.
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Serriform on Apr 16 2013, 06:04:26 PM wrote:Any interest?
eh maybe not. :ph43r:
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Serriform on Apr 17 2013, 04:29:00 PM wrote:
Serriform on Apr 16 2013, 06:04:26 PM wrote:Any interest?
eh maybe not. :ph43r:
If you started it I'd submit a list, it would be mighty short though I'm afraid.
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lol well we just had the March challenge and we had the same thing last year. Maybe this will have to wait for a decade of Marches.
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Crinderman on Apr 17 2013, 04:17:47 PM wrote:
mjf314 on Apr 17 2013, 04:07:03 PM wrote:Would anyone be interested in a "most unique films" poll?
Hell yeah!

One question though, would we be voting for the best unique films, or just the most unique films regardless of how we feel about them?

I'd be in either way, but I'd prefer promoting films I love.
I think uniqueness should be the most important factor, but we should also take into account the overall quality of the film.

If you assign a uniqueness rating and an overall rating to each film, then the ranking would look something like this (though I wouldn't actually require people to give 2 ratings to every film):
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1. 10 unique, 10 overall
2. 10 unique, 9 overall
3. 10 unique, 8 overall
4. 9 unique, 10 overall
5. 9 unique, 9 overall
6. 10 unique, 7 overall
7. 8 unique, 10 overall
8. 9 unique, 8 overall
9. 10 unique, 6 overall
10. 8 unique, 9 overall
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Serriform on Apr 17 2013, 04:36:50 PM wrote:lol well we just had the March challenge and we had the same thing last year. Maybe this will have to wait for a decade of Marches.
Haha, yeah. On the upside the amount of respected female directors seem to be increasing, at least wordwide, so it will probably get easier and easier to make a good list.
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mjf314 on Apr 17 2013, 04:40:38 PM wrote:
Crinderman on Apr 17 2013, 04:17:47 PM wrote:
mjf314 on Apr 17 2013, 04:07:03 PM wrote:Would anyone be interested in a "most unique films" poll?
Hell yeah!

One question though, would we be voting for the best unique films, or just the most unique films regardless of how we feel about them?

I'd be in either way, but I'd prefer promoting films I love.
I think uniqueness should be the most important factor, but we should also take into account the overall quality of the film.

If you assign a uniqueness rating and an overall rating to each film, then the ranking would look something like this (though I wouldn't actually require people to give 2 ratings to every film):
Spoiler: click to toggle
1. 10 unique, 10 overall
2. 10 unique, 9 overall
3. 10 unique, 8 overall
4. 9 unique, 10 overall
5. 9 unique, 9 overall
6. 10 unique, 7 overall
7. 8 unique, 10 overall
8. 9 unique, 8 overall
9. 10 unique, 6 overall
10. 8 unique, 9 overall
That does sound a bit complicated, but encouraging peple to rank by uniqueness first, moderated by how much they like it, leaving then free to leave out films they don't like might work.
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Maybe I could invite participants from FG1 and 3 as well. Would anyone be offended if I did that?
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Serriform on Apr 17 2013, 04:48:33 PM wrote:Maybe I could invite participants from FG1 and 3 as well. Would anyone be offended if I did that?
Would be awesome to have an FG take-over of this forum. :thumbsup:
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Crinderman on Apr 17 2013, 04:51:23 PM wrote:
Serriform on Apr 17 2013, 04:48:33 PM wrote:Maybe I could invite participants from FG1 and 3 as well. Would anyone be offended if I did that?
Would be awesome to have an FG take-over of this forum. :thumbsup:
lol don't start rumors!
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what do the different FG numbers mean?
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FG1 is on IMDb, FG2 was on aceboards (I backed up all the film discussions using wizardry on my laptop though....) and FG3 is a zetaboards forum.
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so why don't you like FG2?
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Because it is dead, murdered.
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mjf314 on Apr 17 2013, 04:40:38 PM wrote:
Crinderman on Apr 17 2013, 04:17:47 PM wrote:
mjf314 on Apr 17 2013, 04:07:03 PM wrote:Would anyone be interested in a "most unique films" poll?
Hell yeah!

One question though, would we be voting for the best unique films, or just the most unique films regardless of how we feel about them?

I'd be in either way, but I'd prefer promoting films I love.
I think uniqueness should be the most important factor, but we should also take into account the overall quality of the film.

If you assign a uniqueness rating and an overall rating to each film, then the ranking would look something like this (though I wouldn't actually require people to give 2 ratings to every film):
Spoiler: click to toggle
1. 10 unique, 10 overall
2. 10 unique, 9 overall
3. 10 unique, 8 overall
4. 9 unique, 10 overall
5. 9 unique, 9 overall
6. 10 unique, 7 overall
7. 8 unique, 10 overall
8. 9 unique, 8 overall
9. 10 unique, 6 overall
10. 8 unique, 9 overall
I would be completely unable to make a list like this, not because I haven't seen unique films but because I a) have no way of quantifying that uniqueness b) have no easy way of trudging through the thousands of movies I've seen to pick out the ones that might qualify and c) perceived uniqueness is often a function of viewing habits and knowledge of both film and other art forms. For example Pulp Fiction and its non-linear narrative seemed very unique when I first saw having seen very few films, it doesn't seem so now. The first experimental films I watched seemed unique, but they don't now that I've seen many more.

Would Roundhay Garden Scene be considered unique? Or can uniqueness be diminished by later developments that render that uniqueness mundane in the future?
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To make things simple I'd say unique = really outside the norm. For example you could be allowed to nominate all Guy Maddin films despite many of them being quite alike. That's just my idea though, I'm sure we could find other ways to simplify this as well.
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brokenface on Apr 17 2013, 06:51:56 PM wrote:so why don't you like FG2?
The long story is that FG2 crashed. We then moved to a new forum that everyone liked better. Whatever server problem FG2 suffered was fixed, but we decided to stay at the new place.

There's also an FG4 from when FG3 crashed.

Yeah ...
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Serriform on Apr 17 2013, 04:48:33 PM wrote:Maybe I could invite participants from FG1 and 3 as well. Would anyone be offended if I did that?
I'm totally fine with people from FG entering as long as they actually post their list on here rather than just submit a list on IMDb as that would pretty pointless (wouldn't even be a forum list). I know a few of the members on here came from FG3 or at least post on both sites.

We struggle a bit more for activity at certain points; especially when there isn't a big poll on and Kaspar isn't posting. Everyone is welcome to join really.
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AdamH on Apr 18 2013, 08:05:35 AM wrote:
Serriform on Apr 17 2013, 04:48:33 PM wrote:Maybe I could invite participants from FG1 and 3 as well. Would anyone be offended if I did that?
I'm totally fine with people from FG entering as long as they actually post their list on here rather than just submit a list on IMDb as that would pretty pointless (wouldn't even be a forum list). I know a few of the members on here came from FG3 or at least post on both sites.

We struggle a bit more for activity at certain points; especially when there isn't a big poll on and Kaspar isn't posting. Everyone is welcome to join really.
Oh ok well my idea was that there doesn't seem to be much interest in a forum list, so maybe as an experiment I could try something "larger" in a way. And no I wouldn't require people to join this forum to submit a list, though I would advertise it of course.
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I don't mind. Up to whoever runs the poll, which won't be me.
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Would only be a short list but maybe a Shakespeare film list.
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Anyone like the idea of a Documentary poll?
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takk71 on May 2 2013, 02:06:02 PM wrote:Anyone like the idea of a Documentary poll?
Only if Streetwise are included ;)
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I'm thinking of running a Documentary challenge, I think a poll afterwards would be cool.
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I think the next poll I do will be the cinematography poll. Before I make the thread, does anyone have any suggestions regarding how to word the poll? Should cinematography include everything that affects the look of the film? Or should editing not be taken into account? Should animated films be eligible?
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mjf314 on May 16 2013, 04:21:45 PM wrote:I think the next poll I do will be the cinematography poll. Before I make the thread, does anyone have any suggestions regarding how to word the poll? Should cinematography include everything that affects the look of the film? Or should editing not be taken into account? Should animated films be eligible?
If you mean to include editing it should probably be about découpage. If you include the things within the image it should probably be Mise-en-scène. It's a little difficult to define and rate, or poll, cinematography by itself without some knowledge of the subject beforehand. and even though I love animation I'm going to say no. animated films shouldn't count (we'd have to get into the Life of Pi argument eventually).
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Including editing in cinematography would be silly. Set design, though, is much tougher to separate from cinematography, especially in memory when you haven't seen a film in years. Something like "Most visually impressive films" might work if you want to include the whole look of a film.
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