Torgo wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2021, 6:28 pm
OldAle1 wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2021, 4:33 pm
We really need to make our own 500- or 1000-film lists, I know I've said it before and I know others have worked intermittently on such things,
A problem I see about genre lists is that I don't even want to imagine our fights about what constitutes an action film.
When 21st century CGI MCU films and the likes are at one possible bad end of the scale scenario, a too TSPian approach makes me shudder even more. I remember other places calling The General
the greatest action film of all time, and then you continue with Seven Samurai (of course), Red River and some other Buster Keaton, Harold Lloyd or even Eisenstein. Mh, well. While not totally wrong by definition, I assume that many
people have a different thing in mind when it comes to "action films".
I do think the years 1995-2020 were more crucial to action films than 1930-1970.
I also think 1940-1970 were way more important for westerns than 1980-2020, and for another genre example, that the 1990s absolutely pale when it comes to horror films compared to the 2010s. Opinions, I guess.
Well you're always going to have problems with definitions - no matter what size the list. I'm sure everybody who's seen a large chunk of TSZDT probably has a few films that they personally would in no way define as "horror". I've seen a big chunk of the TSP noir list and there are plenty of films there that are not noir to me, regardless of quality, starting with Dirty Harry
. Just. Not. Noir. But I guess plenty of critics and people who have probably seen more than I have disagree. The thing is with a big ranked list like TSZ, most of the questionable items won't make it near the top and I think a properly compiled action, or western, or musical, or sports, or whatever list would be similar. I could imagine The General
making the top 100 of a massive action list compilation, but probably not the top 10 or 20. Seven Samurai
to me is probably the single most important film in the development
of the genre, if you had to pick just one - but does that mean it should be #1? Maybe, maybe not. But certainly it would figure highly and (unfortunately IMO) so would a lot of MCU films, which are probably to young action fans today what Raiders of the Lost Ark
was to me at 16, or what the early Bond films were to the guys born in 1950. And critics, especially in our internet era of everybody and every site making a zillions lists of every, often try to appeal to younger tastes to be more "relevant".
Anyway regardless of whether or not any such list ever appears, or whether it would be half as great as I can imagine it, it shouldn't stop us from pointing out the mediocrity of so many of these lists that get posted that seem geared much more towards clickbait than thoughtful criticism or dialogue, and that rarely stray beyond the most obvious choices.