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I was careful not to read past page 8 or so in this thread since I haven't seen season 8 yet. I just finished s7 last week and wanted to voice a few prelim thoughts:

Of the main character slate Arya is my favorite... pretty easily (and she has been seen season 1). I also quite like Tyrion. And, although he was a slimeball of the highest order, I really liked Petyr Baelish. Aiden Gillen did a fantastic job with the character; love the way he was played him with all his little mannerisms and manipulations and hidden emotions. Also like The Hound... waiting to see what ultimately happens with him. Joffrey was my favorite character to hate, although Ramsay Snow got close.

There was a noticeable drop off after season 5 for me... a slight decline maybe during season 5 as compared to 1-4 (I assume due to lack of material from the books since they weren't available), but 6 was noticeably weaker until the penultimate episode. The Battle of the Bastards and the Sept exploding were the absolute highlights of 6. Season 7 was decent. I enjoyed it more than almost any other TV series I've seen, but it was still lesser than what preceded it.
I suspect season 8 might disappoint me since it seemed to incur the wrath of the devout fans... we'll see. I'm waiting until after the Oct challenge to go there. Can't have anything interfering with the horror flicks.
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only 2 more episodes left, The Bells and The Iron Throne ... and I've still avoided reading anything about the ending/finale.

I've no clue why the fan base went so ballistic in this season though as it's about as good as 7 so far, and that one paled to 6, which was weaker than almost all that came before it. I think people just like complaining about anything they can these days, but I'll reserve further comments on this until I see the last 2 eps. Most TV series falter towards their conclusions since they normally only extend past a certain point due to the creators milking money... and money does absolutely kill creativity, uniqueness and spark. If the ending of GoT is not as bad as the X-Files then I will consider it a rare success among TV series regardless of now it ends.

The battle with the Night King was predictable, but still moderately enjoyable...it was vastly inferior to the Battle of the bastards though. The entire sequence seemed a rather hollow shell of the battle sequences that preceded it (there is not topping that one ep in s6, as far as fighting goes) and the Night King was removed too easily (though I love what Arya did to him). I find it odd that the entire supernatural element meant to represent the ultimate force of evil (prob Cersei in reality), was removed so easily... within one ep they were over and done with. Curious to see how it wraps up from here.

Oh, and I love Jaime and Brienne together... that's more real than reality and they are PERFECT for each other imo.
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Curious to read your thoughts on the last two!

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outdoorcats wrote: December 9th, 2019, 11:14 pm Curious to read your thoughts on the last two!
Well, my prelim thoughts on the penultimate, which I watched last night:
1. suck-ass! on Jaime going back to Cersei :verymad: I had just commented on how much I liked him with Brienne too.
2. the entire King's Landing battle was fun to watch due to the action and some of the effects (and some of the background shots were great), but it felt slightly hollow (and truthfully it lasted too long... even the piece with the Clegane Bros duking it out felt a little stretched to me).
3. the turn with Daenerys didn't surprise me much; I anticipated something like that, though maybe not quite in that manner....

I also wanted to see Cersei suffer on the way out. She did suffer a bit (emotionally and out of fear), but not nearly enough for how much I loved to hate her character. Her death, in particular, felt underplayed. This and the "hollow" feeling I alluded to may be why fans were so critical of this season. I'm still enjoying it though. It's way better final season than the X-Files got and, so far, better than many other series that jumped the shark at some point (again- happens to them all to some extent when the money becomes the primary motivator imo).
I'll chime in once more after I've seen the final ep.
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Aaaaand done!
Season 8 was by far the weakest of the series, but I still enjoyed it. My main gripe is that the events seemed rushed and there were far too many "convenient" moments (e.g. after the fleet is destroyed Euron walking ashore in exactly the same spot that Jaime just happened to be occupying, and Tyrion finding Jaime's metal hand in the rubble and uncovering a perfectly positioned Jaime and Cersei, who are barely even scratched even though an entire citadel came crashing down on top of them). Yeah, right.
BUT, the acting was exceptional as it has been for much of the series and the effects and action sequences were great. So I took those away as positives from s8. If there had been a season 9 it would have allowed for more character buildup (in 8) to the events that (would have) transpired in 9. That would have been an improvement imho.

Despite flaws towards the end Game of Thrones is in my top 5 all time TV series though, and I despise most series, so that's saying something. I could care less about most TV, but this I generally loved:

seasons 1-4 10/10
season 5 9/10
season 6 8/10 (the final 2 eps highlighted this one)
season 7 7
season 8 6 (possibly a 5, if compared to all that preceded)

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I actually think just a couple more episodes would have tidied up Season 8 nicely. The main issue is that I think D&D wanted each season to be more packed with "big" moments than the last and assumed that would be received better, for example like the final 8 episodes of Breaking Bad. The difference is that BB only had about 7 core characters and the final 8 episodes therefore aren't wall to wall action, but a lot of slower actor-based moments that just seem bigger because they were built up to for so long. So you have some rushed moments like us not seeing what exactly prompts Grey Worm to change his mind on Jon Snow, despite the fact they were investing in him more and more in the last two seasons.

I would give Season 8 a 7/10, agree that it's the weakest season, but not by a lot. The Long Night might be my favorite episode of the show. For sheer intensity and spectacle I'm not sure it can be beat, though Hardhome and Battle of the Bastards weren't slacking off either.

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outdoorcats wrote: December 12th, 2019, 12:28 am I actually think just a couple more episodes would have tidied up Season 8 nicely. The main issue is that I think D&D wanted each season to be more packed with "big" moments than the last and assumed that would be received better, for example like the final 8 episodes of Breaking Bad. The difference is that BB only had about 7 core characters and the final 8 episodes therefore aren't wall to wall action, but a lot of slower actor-based moments that just seem bigger because they were built up to for so long. So you have some rushed moments like us not seeing what exactly prompts Grey Worm to change his mind on Jon Snow, despite the fact they were investing in him more and more in the last two seasons.

I would give Season 8 a 7/10, agree that it's the weakest season, but not by a lot. The Long Night might be my favorite episode of the show. For sheer intensity and spectacle I'm not sure it can be beat, though Hardhome and Battle of the Bastards weren't slacking off either.
My 5-6 rating for season 8 may have been a little harsh, but I can't rate it above a strong 6 when directly comparing it to the near-perfection of s1-4...the vibe and heart form the earlier parts of the series just weren't there for me personally. I do agree that it's not nearly as weak as the rabid fans have made it out to be. It's ridiculous that there was some sort of poll started in order to get the producers to re-shoot season 8 because the fans didn't like it. That's an insult to pretty much all the cast and crew imo. Still think the Battle of the Bastards trumps the The Long Night though... I saw that ep from s6 back over the summer when I got some of the blu rays from the library and put that ep on as I was getting ready to make dinner one night after work. I never ate dinner... never moved from the position I was in the couch actually. :D

And thanks for mentioning Breaking Bad. That is one of the very, very rare series that I plan on watching some day. In fact, based on your statement in conjunction with my friends' raving on and on when they were actively watching it- that viewing may come sooner rather than later. :thumbsup:
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Finished yesterday! :D
I didn't like it that much at first, but this is a tv show that kept growing on me. I think I just started loving it on season 4 and it kept getting better and better, which doesn't seem to be the popular opinion.
I'm aware of the backlash that season 8 got, but we also live in an age where websites and youtubers need to complain about everything to get some clicks. I noticed a lot of this hate seemed to come from the same people who hated the last jedi and the last of us 2 lol.
Honestly, as someone who doesn't care about the books and didn't create any theories over the years, I thought the ending was perfect. How did the story end in the books and what is the prequel series about?
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There are still two books yet to be published. Martin apparently shared his overall, broad plan for the story with the showrunners, which they may or may not have followed? We'll know if we ever get to read it!

The last thing that happened in the most recently published book (which came out in 2011, when the first season of the show was airing) was
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Jon Snow getting assassinated by the Night's Watch, Dany being captured by the Dothraki, and Tyrion and Jorah still on their way to Meereen. (Also lots of dangling plot threads that wouldn't make sense to describe because they involve characters and storylines that were cut for the TV show.)


So basically the ending of Season 5. Seasons 6, 7, and 8 were all uncharted territory.

Martin has also published some Simarillion-like books detailing the history and lore of his universe leading up to that point in time, and HBO is using that material as a jumping-off point for their prequel spinoff, which is about the civil war between the Targaryens that took place centuries before the events in GoT. Somewhat worryingly, the showrunner is Ryan Condal, whose resume consists mostly of action movies. :shrug: They cast Matt Smith in it, though.

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Thank you. For me the show got better as the characters kept getting closer to each other. I also liked the ending a lot, no matter what happens in the books which I'll never read.
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Killing Jon Snow in Game of Thrones is like killing a virgin in a friday the 13th movie, I wouldn't want that to happen. It just felt like the right ending to me.
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