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St. Gloede wrote: January 16th, 2021, 9:00 pm I can't even begin to imagine the mess if I lost my IMDb account, especially if I didn't have my viewings saved anywhere else. My condolences (not sure you love making lists as much as myself or some people here, but IMDb is probably my key resource there).

Mirror is on my shortlist too. Got to rewatch it on the big screen 5 years ago and it was incredible, and I love Providence (and Resnais up until the 80s in general), Chinatown, Celine and Julie, Madame De ..., etc. Great line-up.

Who would you say are your favourite directors?
I used to keep a couple lists until I realised being organised was too much work, though being exposed to list-making fiends might get me back in the groove.

Are you unsubtly nudging me into making a list? :lol: I have a number one with the rest unranked, favourite films of each director in brackets:

1. Alain Resnais (Providence, Hiroshima Mon Amour)

Yasujiro Ozu (Tokyo Story, Floating Weeds)
Agnes Varda (Beaches of Agnes, Cleo from 5 to 7)
Abbas Kiarostami (Where is my Friend's Home, And Life Goes On)
Jean Renoir (Rules of the Game, Boudu Saved from Drowning)
Ingmar Bergman (Persona, Wild Strawberries)
Max Ophuls (Madame De, Letter from Unknown Woman)
Jacques Rivette (Celine and Julie, Out 1)
Eric Rohmer (My Night at Maud's, Claire's Knee)
Martin Scorsese (Raging Bull, Goodfellas)
Michelangelo Antonioni (L'Eclisse, L'Avventura)
Kenji Mizoguchi (Ugetsu, Sansho the Bailiff)
F.W Murnau (Sunrise, Last Laugh)
Michael Powell (Black Narcissus, Colonel Blimp)
Shohei Imamura (Vengeance is Mine, Profound Desires of the Gods)
Rainer Werner Fassbinder (Berlin Alexanderplatz, Ali: Fear Eats the Soul)
Edward Yang (Yi Yi, Brighter Summer Day)
Victor Erice (Spirit of the Beehive, El Sur)
Luis Garcia Berlanga (El Verdugo, Placido)
Andrei Tarkovsky (Mirror, Stalker)
Fritz Lang (Testament of Dr. Mabuse, Die Nibelungen)
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And my ploy worked!

Plenty of overlaps there. Especially happy to see Agnes Varda high up.

How many films have you seen by Berlanga? Love El Verdugo and Placido, but only seen 6 (have Calabach on a low 8 and only like the rest, That Happy Couple being the weakest so far, but have seen no films made after El Verdugo - and it seems he only got stronger and stronger).
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I've seen 6 from Berlanga, loved El Verdugo, Placido and Bienvenido Mr. Marshall, liked Calabuch too. I've seen two of his late films which have more swearing and nudity than his classics: "La Vaquilla" is about a group of Republican soldiers trying to steal a bull from the other side and have to return across enemy lines, I saw it with uneven subtitles which doesn't help, some fun moments but not his best; "Everyone to Jail" is a cross-section of Spanish society in prison, like "Placido" there's lots of group scenes with all sorts going on in the foreground and background, some of the humour is crude in places but the way Berlanga orchestrates the action makes up for it.

Wish I could see more from Berlanga, his international reputation isn't on Bunuel's level and that's a shame.
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RolandKirkSunglasses wrote: January 17th, 2021, 1:00 pmWish I could see more from Berlanga, his international reputation isn't on Bunuel's level and that's a shame.
In general I'd say there is a sort of cultural barrier preventing this and other major titles of Spanish costumbrismo from getting a bigger international audience. They don't appear sophisticated or orderly (Berlanga's characters in particular are a noisy mess and it's like that on purpose), and they often make use of very regionalistic expressions and conflicts. But they are awesome in my opinion. It hits a lot different if you relate to its noise and they are deep down great chroniclers of their time as well as fantastic social satires.

He should totally be on Buñuel's level, but Buñuel is who he is, a staple of surrealism, which is far more prestigious as a movement in film history and it has had a strong academic focus on how it shaped film language that so far I don't think Berlanga's style has.
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RolandKirkSunglasses wrote: January 16th, 2021, 10:10 pm Yasujiro Ozu (Tokyo Story, Floating Weeds)
Kenji Mizoguchi (Ugetsu, Sansho the Bailiff)
Shohei Imamura (Vengeance is Mine, Profound Desires of the Gods)
Edward Yang (Yi Yi, Brighter Summer Day)
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Why worry armour, I prefer older films generally so it’s not surprising. The period from 1934 to say 1964 is the best period in films for me, obviously with some exceptions.
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Yes, I have noticed a large amount of Barlenga's films remain without subtitles. It is quite a shame, though luckily we live in a time when this is consistently fixed.

Like Jal I don't think he has a great chance of ever catching up to Bunuel's stature, and not only because Bunuel's link to surrealism, but because Bunuel had such an extensive ouvre, but in terms of the number of films and geographical diversity. The majority of films he is known for are also not Spanish, but French, and with several big names, including Deneuve - which gives an immediate advantage (though even some of his Mexican films, mainly Exterminating Angel and Los Olvidados are better remembered than Barlenga's films).

I don't think we can ever expect Barlenga to reach his level of appreciation, and my personal bias (Bunuel is my second favourite director after JLG) I think that's fairly reasonable - but I can see him raising in notoriety - especially as he is already seen as one of the best Spanish directors. Could he overtake Saura or Almodovar, maybe, maybe not, but I do think how the world sees Spain will play a major part of this. If Spain once again becomes a bigger part of the cinematic conversation and solidifies itself as one of the major exporters of film - the further interest and rediscovery would come as well. (Going into standard media stores you can find random Sacha Guitry boxsets of his least known films, so a bigger cinematic Spain would undoubtedly lead to added exposure for their biggest filmmakers).
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jal90 wrote: January 17th, 2021, 1:31 pm In general I'd say there is a sort of cultural barrier preventing this and other major titles of Spanish costumbrismo from getting a bigger international audience. They don't appear sophisticated or orderly (Berlanga's characters in particular are a noisy mess and it's like that on purpose), and they often make use of very regionalistic expressions and conflicts. But they are awesome in my opinion. It hits a lot different if you relate to its noise and they are deep down great chroniclers of their time as well as fantastic social satires.

He should totally be on Buñuel's level, but Buñuel is who he is, a staple of surrealism, which is far more prestigious as a movement in film history and it has had a strong academic focus on how it shaped film language that so far I don't think Berlanga's style has.
I guess post-civil war Spain wasn't a sexy topic for European audiences at the time, in a way I understand: France, Italy and the rest had to rebuild after WW2. Films like Bicycle Thieves were more relatable for audiences.

I think Alfred Hitchcock once called Buñuel the best director in the world, if Berlanga received a similar endorsement during his heyday things would've been so different.
St. Gloede wrote: January 17th, 2021, 3:37 pm Yes, I have noticed a large amount of Barlenga's films remain without subtitles. It is quite a shame, though luckily we live in a time when this is consistently fixed.

Like Jal I don't think he has a great chance of ever catching up to Bunuel's stature, and not only because Bunuel's link to surrealism, but because Bunuel had such an extensive ouvre, but in terms of the number of films and geographical diversity. The majority of films he is known for are also not Spanish, but French, and with several big names, including Deneuve - which gives an immediate advantage (though even some of his Mexican films, mainly Exterminating Angel and Los Olvidados are better remembered than Barlenga's films).

I don't think we can ever expect Barlenga to reach his level of appreciation, and my personal bias (Bunuel is my second favourite director after JLG) I think that's fairly reasonable - but I can see him raising in notoriety - especially as he is already seen as one of the best Spanish directors. Could he overtake Saura or Almodovar, maybe, maybe not, but I do think how the world sees Spain will play a major part of this. If Spain once again becomes a bigger part of the cinematic conversation and solidifies itself as one of the major exporters of film - the further interest and rediscovery would come as well. (Going into standard media stores you can find random Sacha Guitry boxsets of his least known films, so a bigger cinematic Spain would undoubtedly lead to added exposure for their biggest filmmakers).
Buñuel leaving Spain was probably the best thing for his career, I don't know the full ins and out of the Spanish film industry under Franco but he would've had a tough time getting his surrealist films past the censors, the same way Berlanga's films were censored. The international perception of Spain is an interesting angle, I was reading about Japanese film company Daiei making period dramas in the 50s to sell Japanese "exoticism" to foreign audiences, definitely worked with Ugetsu and Gate of Hell. I'm not sure Spain offered that same level of exoticism to other European countries, during the Cold War films behind the Iron Curtain would've been perceived as more exotic or interesting in my opinion. Ironically if Spain had entered the second world war their subsequent films may have resonated with international audiences.

So basically we can blame Franco for everything :lol:
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So, hi, I haven't been on a film board in some time but years ago I was for a time very active on IMDB, particularly in the Oscar Buzz and Classic Film boards. I see a few names I recognize from the Classic Film boards here which is awesome. I was also active on the Auteurs/MUBI boards for a time way back but that was years ago.

My film watching has slowly nose dived over the last decade. I got married, got a good job, took my writing more seriously, and slowly watched my free time evaporate. I used to average 100 movies in a month at times and would always see at least 80-100 movies from any new year while also watching tons of classics. Recent years I'm more at 30-40 and the last couple are even worse. Last night I realized I hadn't updated my "film list" which I've been maintaining since 2005, in probably 4 or 5 months. I went and caught up and realized it wasn't hard. In that time I'd probably only seen 15 films. I had a period right after moving to work from home last March where I did watch quite a lot, I saw probably 50-60 in a span of two months, which for me nowadays is fantastic, but it dropped off again as life got busier and I almost felt burned out.

I actually only found this board because somewhere I discuss other things had a thread on what's happening to online discussion and the Scorsese essay making the rounds, and it made me think of the IMDB boards, which led me to searching for any info about the Classic Film boards on IMDB and if the users went anywhere, which led me to searching the Doubling the Canon and Fixing the Oscars projects from back then, which led to a post linking to the old ICM forums, which led me here, lol. Quite a journey, but after seeing members I remember and seeing that there were so many here still discussing film passionately I knew I had to sign up. I hope the passion rubs off on me a bit. There's no way I'll ever get back to my days of watching 100 movies a month, I just don't have the time, but I'd love to at least get back to seeing a handful each week.
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Welcome Bing !
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Welcome! Glad to have you here.
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Welcome! Movie-watching does ebb & flow due to inner and outer circumstances.... And less may be more at that.
You mentioned your writing - care to say anything more about that?
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Hi! Found this site by namesearching and saw an entire thread talking about a letterboxd list I made. I like to talk film! Maybe I can talk film here!
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Dozzyrok wrote: February 18th, 2021, 6:50 am Hi! Found this site by namesearching and saw an entire thread talking about a letterboxd list I made. I like to talk film! Maybe I can talk film here!
Welcome Dozzyrok. :)

Which lb list are you referring to?
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https://letterboxd.com/dozzyrok/list/maximalist-cinema/

I opened a thread around that one some time ago, since I thought it aligned very much with the things I liked in films, but hadn't really heard of the term that much of the time :)

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Probably this one: https://letterboxd.com/dozzyrok/list/maximalist-cinema/

(looks like Onderhond beat me by one minute)
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Really exciting to get 2 new members in one day! You have come to the right place, I can tell you that. We don't just have DtC, we have 3 monthly challenges, monthly polls, the world cup, film of the week (and SWAPS - which can be even more fun) - and best of all our own festival - ICMFFF (every November/December).

We also have our own podcast, Talking Images: https://open.spotify.com/show/3GhRXnb6OzOnfae2Uvkvus

And we're currently in the process of creating our own online magazine, iCinema.
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I used to be on the IMDb boards as well, was an on and off regular at Film General (though largely disappeared around '07/'08 as we set up an alternative Film General without the trolls), kept checking in though, and used to participate in a few threads/projects on the Classics board too.

I was also in a similar position with seeing less and less films due to work, marriage, etc. (all-time low was a shocking 178 in a year) though for me Covid changed all that around and I can do around 50-60 a month again now.

Also happy to get someone so ahead of the curve that they may have dubbed/popularized a new film genre/style.

Welcome both!
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St. Gloede wrote: February 18th, 2021, 8:59 am (and SWAPS - which can be even more fun)
Not using the full name I see tehe
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Onderhond wrote: February 18th, 2021, 9:05 am
St. Gloede wrote: February 18th, 2021, 8:59 am (and SWAPS - which can be even more fun)
Not using the full name I see tehe
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No, they actually changed the name, for uhm, publicity reasons?

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Greetings to Bing and Dozzyrok. I'm wondering whether I might have encountered Bing back on the CFB... Perhaps under a different moniker?

Nice to have you both here!
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I am pretty sure that Bing was Bing. I recall the name from the CFB days.
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Bing147 wrote: February 17th, 2021, 7:35 pm So, hi, I haven't been on a film board in some time but years ago I was for a time very active on IMDB, particularly in the Oscar Buzz and Classic Film boards. I see a few names I recognize from the Classic Film boards here which is awesome.
Heya Bing. Long time, no see. You might enjoy this podcast episode in which myself and other icmforum members talked about the decline of film forums after IMDb imploded:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4Ck2Fqw1vH5JRf8ei7SHDj

And then there is this episode in which Adam and Lauren discuss how they started icmforum.com and reflect on how their forum has now become the single most active movie forum on the web (well probably; we can't prove it):

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St. Gloede wrote: February 18th, 2021, 9:10 am No, they actually changed the name, for uhm, publicity reasons?
Haha, I can see how that's better for new members hitting these threads without context.
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sol wrote: February 18th, 2021, 11:59 am I am pretty sure that Bing was Bing. I recall the name from the CFB days.
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That I was, though pretty sure I was technically Bing148 there (I had made a previous account years earlier from when I started actually using it with my normal online name, but lost access to the email it was tied to so I added 1, lol). Sol is one of the members here I definitely remember, I was a regular contributor to fixing the Oscars and posted semi regularly in your weekly viewings thread for a few years there, then for a numbers of years after I checked in every now and then but the decline in my film viewing didn't start with the closure of the IMDB boards. (though that hasn't helped, being part of a community keeps you engaged)

I'll definitely check out that podcast, sounds fascinating.

As for the person who asked about my writing, its a variety of things. I've been a part time game critic off and on for nearly 20 years. Around 2009 I actually stopped freelancing for a number of years but I picked it back up around 3 or 4 years ago. I've also tried my hand at fiction and have actually completed a few novels, though nothing that has managed to get published yet. I had some health issues in 2019-2020 that actually really slowed my writing down and although those are mostly behind me thankfully, I haven't been able to get back into my fiction as consistently as I would like since, though I'm slowly getting back to it. Writing reviews and finding time for that (which, you know, I actually get paid something for, lol) has been the top priority though and even that was tough to keep up with for a time. (I work a full time job on top of that. The writing is a nice bonus but I couldn't come close to living on it)
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I love how you went backwards in time, attacking logic and convention by naming yourself Bing147 rather than Bing149. Subversive!

Being a paid part-time film critic is pretty amazing. I'm quite envious.

Hope your health issues are quite behind you (and that you didn't have to pay through your teeth if you're in the US)
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I appreciate it. I am in the US but the health issues are mostly behind me. Something I still have to manage, but its well under control and as long as I take care of myself should remain so. I thankfully have pretty good insurance so it wasn't TOO bad price wise, though still more than I would have liked.
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Hello, my name is Carmel, I am going to drink Stella Artois and light a cigarette with a red lighter, I will check this forum back later, thanks everyone

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Btw, did you forget something?
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Hi, Marcel, please feel free to fit right in with the conversations, we have great challenges going on this month.
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Carmel1379 wrote: April 14th, 2021, 4:32 pm Hello, my name is Carmel, I am going to drink Stella Artois and light a cigarette with a red lighter, I will check this forum back later, thanks everyone

Sincerely,

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This would have been even more fitting for your 5,000th post celebration. ;)
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