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blocho wrote: October 16th, 2020, 11:13 pm
nimimerkillinen wrote: October 16th, 2020, 3:19 am James Nestor writes about tooth and jaw thing in his book
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/48890486-breath
(Those gotta do with breathing styles and lack of chewing / solid food)
I read Nestor's previous book, Deep, which was about freediving and the ocean. It was immensely enthralling. I think I finished it in two days. I'm hesitant to read the new book, though. The claims made in the blurb trigger my strong sense of skepticism.

Incidentally, here's a recent article about two renegade dentists who have also made some dramatic claims about the shape of human faces: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/maga ... ncels.html
I dont like reading long text on electronics so skipping that article but there was some stuff about mewing and a device too. The shape of human skull was one of the smaller parts of the books tho so Id say worth reading/listening
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Twinkies Don't Live for Ever!

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My brother (now 80) was born without wisdom teeth.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-55323176

Rooting for China instead of Elon Musk lol. Elon's ship blew up which was entertaining.
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Pretentious Hipster wrote: December 16th, 2020, 8:53 pm https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-55323176

Rooting for China instead of Elon Musk lol. Elon's ship blew up which was entertaining.
Not sure if China is somehow "better" than Elon. At least he doesn't claim to be a socialist/communist.
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Armoreska wrote: December 16th, 2020, 9:27 pm
Pretentious Hipster wrote: December 16th, 2020, 8:53 pm https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-55323176

Rooting for China instead of Elon Musk lol. Elon's ship blew up which was entertaining.
Not sure if China is somehow "better" than Elon. At least he doesn't claim to be a socialist/communist.
I'm not really on board, but Dengists argue that it's not capitalism as it's owned by the people.
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Armoreska wrote: January 13th, 2021, 10:49 pm here we go, Twitter bans Sci Hub
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/01 ... rs-website
God damn it. :circle:
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maxwelldeux wrote: January 14th, 2021, 7:29 am
Armoreska wrote: January 13th, 2021, 10:49 pm here we go, Twitter bans Sci Hub
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/01 ... rs-website
God damn it. :circle:
Wouldn't Curie damn it or Darwin damn it be more apropos for this thread? B)
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xianjiro wrote: January 14th, 2021, 9:42 am
maxwelldeux wrote: January 14th, 2021, 7:29 am
Armoreska wrote: January 13th, 2021, 10:49 pm here we go, Twitter bans Sci Hub
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/01 ... rs-website
God damn it. :circle:
Wouldn't Curie damn it or Darwin damn it be more apropos for this thread? B)
Dawkins debunk it!
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maxwelldeux wrote: January 14th, 2021, 7:29 am
Armoreska wrote: January 13th, 2021, 10:49 pm here we go, Twitter bans Sci Hub
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/01 ... rs-website
God damn it. :circle:
$Deity damn it! Sci-Hub is the best thing to happen to scientific use of the Internet since the invention of www (and even that is debatable). Scientific publishing is a racket that leaves the mafia envious.
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well, you can't even write a respectable abstract in 140 characters.
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Knaldskalle wrote: January 15th, 2021, 4:09 pm
maxwelldeux wrote: January 14th, 2021, 7:29 am
Armoreska wrote: January 13th, 2021, 10:49 pm here we go, Twitter bans Sci Hub
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/01 ... rs-website
God damn it. :circle:
$Deity damn it! Sci-Hub is the best thing to happen to scientific use of the Internet since the invention of www (and even that is debatable). Scientific publishing is a racket that leaves the mafia envious.
Sci-hub is fine, it's not going away. Not being on twitter just minimally hurts its visibility.
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Hopefully the news have helped someone discover Sci Hub instead.
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PeacefulAnarchy wrote: January 15th, 2021, 6:22 pm
Knaldskalle wrote: January 15th, 2021, 4:09 pm
maxwelldeux wrote: January 14th, 2021, 7:29 am
God damn it. :circle:
$Deity damn it! Sci-Hub is the best thing to happen to scientific use of the Internet since the invention of www (and even that is debatable). Scientific publishing is a racket that leaves the mafia envious.
Sci-hub is fine, it's not going away. Not being on twitter just minimally hurts its visibility.
My fear is that it will become a target. Maybe that's an unfounded fear, but there's money in publishing and the open-science movement threatens that.
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Sci hub is not a secret. Could it be brought down? I dunno maybe, I'm not sure what security they have in place. Is this a sign of that happening? Not really.

Also, open access preprints are the norm of a lot of sciences at this point.
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PeacefulAnarchy wrote: January 16th, 2021, 6:48 am Sci hub is not a secret. Could it be brought down? I dunno maybe, I'm not sure what security they have in place. Is this a sign of that happening? Not really.

Also, open access preprints are the norm of a lot of sciences at this point.
All fair points. I mean, I have nothing to substantiate a fear that SciHub would be taken down other than a general pessimism of the entirety of life right now and a strong sense of "January of 2021 has been enough - I did not want to add this to the list of shit I worry about".

And while the open-source preprints are common in some fields, they're not common in others. In my area, it's not common. There are grey areas to find them, but you have to know things.
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PeacefulAnarchy wrote: January 16th, 2021, 6:48 am Sci hub is not a secret. Could it be brought down? I dunno maybe, I'm not sure what security they have in place. Is this a sign of that happening? Not really.

Also, open access preprints are the norm of a lot of sciences at this point.
But isn't the open access preprints a result of the open-science movement in the first place?

I remember attending a talk around the time PLOS Biology was launched, summer 2003. It made a lot of sense to me the way it was presented, with authors being able to retain copyright and the text of the published articles being made freely available to everyone.

There were representatives from both Nature and Science (the magazines) at the talk and they were incredibly dismissive of this new initiative to the point of arrogance, they really did not present a good case for why the publishing journals should retain the copyright for work done by others and funded by taxpayers. Especially not since those same journals rely heavily on unpaid reviewers to do a lot of the heavy lifting and charge at both ends for the final product (both authors and readers, traditionally, have to pay for a scientific article). They basically claimed that retaining the copyright was the only way to ensure the quality of the published articles, something that doesn't make a lick of sense when you realize that it's the same people who will review a PLOS article as a Nature article and it's seriously doubtful that they will do a worse job with one over the other.

I was happy to see PLOS succeed.
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Knaldskalle wrote: January 17th, 2021, 4:41 pm
PeacefulAnarchy wrote: January 16th, 2021, 6:48 am Sci hub is not a secret. Could it be brought down? I dunno maybe, I'm not sure what security they have in place. Is this a sign of that happening? Not really.

Also, open access preprints are the norm of a lot of sciences at this point.
But isn't the open access preprints a result of the open-science movement in the first place?
Kind-of. They're both outgrowths of the rise of the internet and the realization that the only value publishers had was 1) actually printing physical things and 2) the cultural/social cachet which allowed them to get the reviewers and bestow prestige on publications. 1) is dead, so it's all 2) and it becomes increasingly obvious that publishers are in full parasite mode as they know their days are numbered. I'm not sure which came first, and it may be field dependent and is still not a complete process. https://arxiv.org/help/math/ This has been going since 1997 and by the time I was a grad student in the early 2000s it was fast becoming standard to cross post things there. It felt like the only barrier to adoption at the time was old people stuck in their ways, and even a lot of those were publishing preprints.

The point is that while Sci-hub dying would be a big blow, a) it would almost certainly get resurrected in short order and b) its necessity is less and less every day (though the day where it's actually unnecessary is still far away). In any case, getting banned from twitter will have zero effect on anything.
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