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Yea we only had minor snow here so far. And no days that were really cold. Climate change is scary
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It's been fucking freezing here in Florida for over a month. Maybe not by the standards northerners are used to, but it's uncomfortable for us.
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Where I live it was about -16 °C early this morning. This evening the temperature is expected to climb back up, which will mark the end of this cold snap.
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Remarkably consistent January so far here, with daytime temps hovering between -5 and +5 C pretty much every day. A couple of nights have fallen significantly below that but nothing close to "bitter cold" by my standards yet - maybe tonight.

2nd day in a row with sunlight though, that's something.
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We're getting our first snow of the winter and year where I live. (It might have snowed before, but I didn't see.) I put a couple quick snaps on my blog. Will be interesting to see if this creates the usual panic or if that will be minimal since many are already at home. Could continue through Wednesday, but it's expected to last very long. BTW, it's very wet snow. Guess we could get an inch or two (2.5cm - 5cm) overnight. School day tomorrow? How does that work with distance learning?
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It's turning out to be quite the severe winter here in the stateline area, with temperatures only hitting freezing - just barely - a couple of times since the new year began, and snow continuing to pile up as a result. We've had half a dozen moderate storms in 6 weeks, each bringing maybe 10-20 cm of snow, and with little melting we're at 40-50 cm on the ground on the level, with snowbanks meters high all over the place. Makes driving difficult because the snow is so high at corners - just getting out of my apartment complex's driveway is hazardous. Not that there are many places to go anyway. And the temperature has plunged from mostly slightly below average in January to well below this month, with the past few days - and the next solid week or more - ranging from -30 C at night to -10 C or so during the day. I would have loved this weather as a kid - and did, in the winter of 78-79 when we had similarly huge amounts of snow on the ground for weeks, but now it's just a pain. Too cold to be enjoyable being outside much - and I have trouble breathing when it gets this cold. I've never really experienced SAD but I definitely understand the affliction more now than I have in the past, being cooped up so long alone and with so much dreariness and darkness.
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brrrr ... makes me cold just reading about it. Looks like we're setting up for a possible blast too. From the NWS, "There is a 30-40% chance that this could result in the coldest high temperatures across the region since early February 2014 with high temperatures dropping into the 20s."

While I do enjoy an nice snowfall, it tends to be difficult to keep the apartment warm when we get that cold. But hopefully the cold snap won't last that long. I think current outlook is about a week.
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Yeah I have my temp turned up to 76 - metrically that's what, 25 or so? because even though I've tried to weatherproof a bit, I'm in an apartment also and there's only so much I can do - and I have a north-west exposure so I get the brunt of the winds, and am on a barely-sheltered hilltop that is the highest point for miles around. So the actual temp reading in the apartment is like 65 near the window and about 72 in the center of the apartment. And I could turn it down a bit if I could get some real exercise and work up some sweat, but that ain't gonna happen currently either - we actually have an exercise room here but it's closed right now (and has been most of the time since last March) and I sure as hell am not going to spend a lot of time outside.
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Not sure how you heat - hopefully gas - but new residents here are always shocked when that first $200+ electric bill arrives. I actually got used to keeping the place around 60F during the day though if it gets as cold as they are suggesting it might, even that becomes a bit of a challenge. Those are days when I spend most of the day under covers, get out the long johns, wear lots of layers, etc. Also try to use heat more strategically so I get everything done and then turn the heat down a notch. It's kind of annoying, but they built this place when electricity was cheap and plentiful back in the 60s, so no one cared (but new residents were probably shocked by their first $40+ electric bill).

Now just don't forget to share your "proof" that there is no such think as global warming. ;) That's a sure fire way to generate heat!
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Meanwhile Holland got it's first snow storm in a decade: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ended.html
I'm only a few miles further in Belgium, where we didn't get that much snow. But for Benelux standards it's unbelievably cold now. Freezing temps during the day for a week. At night low temps of -11 to -15 c
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xianjiro wrote: February 9th, 2021, 8:37 pm Not sure how you heat - hopefully gas - but new residents here are always shocked when that first $200+ electric bill arrives. I actually got used to keeping the place around 60F during the day though if it gets as cold as they are suggesting it might, even that becomes a bit of a challenge. Those are days when I spend most of the day under covers, get out the long johns, wear lots of layers, etc. Also try to use heat more strategically so I get everything done and then turn the heat down a notch. It's kind of annoying, but they built this place when electricity was cheap and plentiful back in the 60s, so no one cared (but new residents were probably shocked by their first $40+ electric bill).

Now just don't forget to share your "proof" that there is no such think as global warming. ;) That's a sure fire way to generate heat!
Gas heat, electric everything else. One energy bill which has never been above $150 and sometimes dips to $80 in April-May or Sept-Oct. I'm in one of the cheapest parts of the country overall.

Two of my uncles - and a few other relatives I think - are still on the Trump/climate change=myth/Obama=Muslim/abortion is murder but capital punishment & war aren't CrazyTrain. Last time I was around them and CC came up - probably about 3 years ago - one of them - a former state rep and coulda-been governor - was going on about how sunspots are going to lead to a global cooling. Also guns don't kill people...

Maybe COVID is good for one thing - keeping me away from interacting with these people. At least none of them tried a bleach injection, so I guess there's a little hope.
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OldAle1 wrote: February 9th, 2021, 9:01 pm At least none of them tried a bleach injection, so I guess there's a little hope.
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It's been pretty noisy around here today - bunch of those noisy Fast/Furious wannabee cars. I think they were trying to get it out of their system before the Great Pandemic Blizzard of 21 hits end of the week. Just thought I'd mention that since you forgot cars in your rant, I mean, discussion. :lol: :P
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so it didn't get quite as cold as predicted (by about five degrees) so it hasn't been quite as bad, just a tad cool in the house and an extra blanket on the bed has done the trick at night. But it's an absolutely mess out there and the prediction is it's going to get worse over the next 24 hours. I've forgotten the actual pattern, but we've had both snow and rain though much less where I'm at than the main part of the big city to the east where they're talking 8-10 inches - they basically shut down transit for most of the day yesterday and then have only slowly restarted some lines that run on streets that had been cleared. The train has also some limited services today, but parts of line, especially in the CBD is only being served by buses.

Now they predict, with 100% certainty, something like 1/2 inch of freezing rain overnight - my guess is tropical moisture overhead falling into a cold surface layer. A lot of people will be waking up to no power tomorrow: that's my prediction. Luckily it's already a holiday, so I'm guessing even more places will just stay closed.

Main roads are slushy to clear, but my side street and sidewalks have thawed a bit, been rained on a bit, and then refrozen overnight. It's pretty treacherous so we basically just go out for the dog to do what he needs to do. It will probably be another few days before this mess clears out and we get back to just plain rain again. And the closer people are to the Gorge - ugh, it's going to be a huge mess there for a few more days.

Damn arctic air blast in the middle of the continent!
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Nothing worse than freezing rain - at least, if you have to drive. I guess since I don't have to go anywhere for a few days I'd take that over our current, still frigid weather - high of around 0 F / -18 C today, lows double digits lower, with windchills in parts of the Madison, WI viewing area approaching the intersection point of the two scales - -40 / -40. I think the lowest I saw for where I am so far was -25 F / - 32 C around the time I woke up. Almost as cold tomorrow and this might make 3 days in a row where I don't leave my apartment, something I think has never happened except when I had bronchitis about 4 years ago. But it's not a picnic inside with my having to crank the heat, and the dryness of the air is about as extreme as I've seen it - under 30% humidity. I like it dry and I have a lot of books & paper which also don't like humidity, but 40-45 is fine or ideal. Now I get little static shocks many times a day and am itchy, something I'm not used to at all. It's rare that I even think "can't wait for spring" but this year, definitely.
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That's pretty damn cold, Ale! I live much closer to the North Pole than you, but we don't have such bitter cold winters over here.
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Lammetje wrote: February 14th, 2021, 11:26 pm That's pretty damn cold, Ale! I live much closer to the North Pole than you, but we don't have such bitter cold winters over here.
Well, this has been a somewhat exceptional cold snap. We usually don't get below 0 F more than a few days in a season, and several days in a row with temps between -15 and 5 are rare - maybe once every 3-5 years. I think this is the third really serious drawn-out extreme cold period I've experienced since moving back here almost 8 years ago.

Don't know where in Poland you are but Germany, Poland and the Baltic countries an the part of Russia on the Baltic Sea get at least some benefit of that somewhat warmer body of water heating up the cold air coming over Scandinavia; where I am, and really this applies to all of Wisconsin, Minnesota, and the Northern plains states, we're getting Arctic air coming over thousands of km of land masses with no substantial bodies of water to warm it up. Even large freshwater bodies like the Great Lakes and Lake Winnipeg just don't have enough of a warming effect to make much difference compared to the ocean or a large branch of it. At least that's the major reason from what I remember being told by a one-time friend who was a climate scientist.
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OldAle1 wrote: February 14th, 2021, 11:37 pm
Lammetje wrote: February 14th, 2021, 11:26 pm That's pretty damn cold, Ale! I live much closer to the North Pole than you, but we don't have such bitter cold winters over here.
Well, this has been a somewhat exceptional cold snap. We usually don't get below 0 F more than a few days in a season, and several days in a row with temps between -15 and 5 are rare - maybe once every 3-5 years. I think this is the third really serious drawn-out extreme cold period I've experienced since moving back here almost 8 years ago.

Don't know where in Poland you are but Germany, Poland and the Baltic countries an the part of Russia on the Baltic Sea get at least some benefit of that somewhat warmer body of water heating up the cold air coming over Scandinavia; where I am, and really this applies to all of Wisconsin, Minnesota, and the Northern plains states, we're getting Arctic air coming over thousands of km of land masses with no substantial bodies of water to warm it up. Even large freshwater bodies like the Great Lakes and Lake Winnipeg just don't have enough of a warming effect to make much difference compared to the ocean or a large branch of it. At least that's the major reason from what I remember being told by a one-time friend who was a climate scientist.
I was just going to agree with you on how we owe our mild winters to the North Atlantic Current, but then I read this on Wikipedia:
The North Atlantic Current, together with the Gulf Stream, have a long-lived reputation for having a considerable warming influence on European climate. However, the principal cause for differences in winter climate between North America and Europe seems to be winds rather than ocean currents (although the currents do exert influence at very high latitudes by preventing the formation of sea ice).
But it helps somewhat at least. :)
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They cancelled the ice storm alert fairly early in the evening last night and we stayed at freezing and above for about 24 hours. We'll be back into a more normal winter weather pattern by tomorrow and cars are moving around much better. Still a tiny bit treacherous walking though with slipper slush and banks of snow, but luckily I don't have to go anywhere today.

I guess just to my east - across a range of large hills or small mountains - the story is quite different. Wide spread power outages thanks to up to 3/4ths inch of ice over night. In some cases, people lost power during the snow, had it reconnected, and lost it again during the ice storm. Last word is "hundreds of thousands without power".

Yes, to some degree the Pacific has helped (my body of water is BIGGER than your body of water :P ), but I think we were just able to get above freezing while those on the other side of the hills held that frigid surface layer thanks to the mass of cold air occupying the middle of the continent. Those hills also keep me away from the nasty east winds as well.
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Lucky to only have lost power momentarily last night in Portland. I'm sure it helps being in a densely populated neighborhood that has filled up with rich peeps the last 5 years or so. For some strange reason the areas where the well-off live consistently get help from the electric company much more swiftly during times like these :think:
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sebby wrote: February 16th, 2021, 3:51 am Lucky to only have lost power momentarily last night in Portland. I'm sure it helps being in a densely populated neighborhood that has filled up with rich peeps the last 5 years or so. For some strange reason the areas where the well-off live consistently get help from the electric company much more swiftly during times like these :think:
Glad to hear you're okay - was wondering about you and my other friends off in the frozen east.

There is some chance we might refreeze overnight if cloud cover doesn't hold. That will be a surprise to morning commuters after how slushy and sloppy things were this evening.
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Slowly coming out of our deep freeze here, with the temp possibly hitting 18 f/ -8 C today, and bright sunshine. VERY foggy/hazy right now though, enough to make driving hazardous - hopefully it will lift soon as I'm stir-crazy and have to get out.

Things are pretty miserable in Texas though - anybody on this forum there or have friends or family in the midst of it? I have a cousin in the Dallas suburbs, fairly sure he's OK - I would have gotten a message from him or his dad if there were serious issues. But it's a pretty fucked-up situation for sure and when you've got the Governor blaming the mess on AOC and the (non-existent) Green New Deal, you can rest assured that there are unlikely to be any good permanent solutions to the state's energy infrastructure problem (except for the very rich, who probably have either left the state for the week or have powerful home generators) anytime soon.
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