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What is the most essential Film you have yet to see?

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Laydback on May 27 2012, 05:23:16 PM wrote:L'Atalante
Pather Panchali
Los Olvidados
All films I'd strongly recommend - particularly Los Olvidados. And they are all pretty short as well. Enjoy!
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Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on May 27 2012, 10:21:46 AM wrote:By the way, The Mother and the Whore would also be on my list. Netflix doesn't carry it.
Did some research on this - only ever been released on DVD in Japan, due to some longstanding rights issue. Found a full upload on youtube with eng subs (I think it's from a VHS so not great quality, but beats the previous version i found)

http://www.youtube.com/user/Arigatosanflicks

It's in the playlist at the bottom (they seem to have uploaded some other good stuff too)

However, if you do watch it, you may end up wanting your 4 hours back. Personally I found it deathly dull, with nothing to recommend :down: Rohmer did this kind of thing a thousand times better.
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brokenface on May 27 2012, 06:09:54 PM wrote:
Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on May 27 2012, 10:21:46 AM wrote:By the way, The Mother and the Whore would also be on my list. Netflix doesn't carry it.
Did some research on this - only ever been released on DVD in Japan, due to some longstanding rights issue. Found a full upload on youtube with eng subs (I think it's from a VHS so not great quality, but beats the previous version i found)

http://www.youtube.com/user/Arigatosanflicks

It's in the playlist at the bottom (they seem to have uploaded some other good stuff too)

However, if you do watch it, you may end up wanting your 4 hours back. Personally I found it deathly dull, with nothing to recommend :down: Rohmer did this kind of thing a thousand times better.
Thanks-- I'll check it out! :thumbsup:
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Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on May 27 2012, 07:12:04 PM wrote:
brokenface on May 27 2012, 06:09:54 PM wrote:
Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on May 27 2012, 10:21:46 AM wrote:By the way, The Mother and the Whore would also be on my list. Netflix doesn't carry it.
Did some research on this - only ever been released on DVD in Japan, due to some longstanding rights issue. Found a full upload on youtube with eng subs (I think it's from a VHS so not great quality, but beats the previous version i found)

http://www.youtube.com/user/Arigatosanflicks

It's in the playlist at the bottom (they seem to have uploaded some other good stuff too)

However, if you do watch it, you may end up wanting your 4 hours back. Personally I found it deathly dull, with nothing to recommend :down: Rohmer did this kind of thing a thousand times better.
Thanks-- I'll check it out! :thumbsup:
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Using gasps and shock from others as a quantifiable measure of how important a film is I have yet to see, I'll say that Lawrence of Arabia strikes pretty high on such.
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brokenface on May 27 2012, 05:11:40 PM wrote:I can play Criterion DVD, they just tend to be prohibitively expensive for me. e.g. Human Condition is $60 + there's risk of being hit with import taxes.
Import taxes :verymad:
The only way to avoid those is to buy from EU, Amazon UK/DE and ebay UK are good options.
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just thought of another category:

4. Films I started to watch but couldn't finish. For instance

Withnail and I
The big Lebowski
Hands over the city
Casque d'or
Braveheart
Shaun of the dead

Some of these were a matter of not being in the right mood; I might revisit them sometime.
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3eyes on May 28 2012, 08:46:12 AM wrote:just thought of another category:

4. Films I started to watch but couldn't finish. For instance

Withnail and I
The big Lebowski
Hands over the city
Casque d'or
Braveheart
Shaun of the dead

Some of these were a matter of not being in the right mood; I might revisit them sometime.
Casque d'or is certainly worth a re-visit. Shaun is also a nice, little film, but you definitely have to be in the mood.
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Feels like Abel Gance's Napoleon would be it.
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Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on May 28 2012, 09:33:10 AM wrote:
3eyes on May 28 2012, 08:46:12 AM wrote:just thought of another category:

4. Films I started to watch but couldn't finish. For instance

Withnail and I
The big Lebowski
Hands over the city
Casque d'or
Braveheart
Shaun of the dead

Some of these were a matter of not being in the right mood; I might revisit them sometime.
Casque d'or is certainly worth a re-visit. Shaun is also a nice, little film, but you definitely have to be in the mood.
I saw Withnail and I on a big screen at a film festival, I think it is good but I can see why some people might not like it. I saw Braveheart on TV on my only visiit to California some while ago, again can see why some people might not like it.
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The ones that come up frequently and feel like the biggest gaps in my viewing to date:

Stalker, Jules et Jim, Sullivan's Travels, White Heat, Greed, Andrei Rublev.


Here's my not seen yet, in 12 ICM official toplists or more:

[21-15]
Andrei Rublev
The Best Years Of Our Lives
Beauty and the Beast ('46)
Stalker
To Be Or Not To Be

[14]
Belle De Jour
The Crowd
Los Olvidados
Shane
Trouble in Paradise
Mr Hulot's Holiday
A Woman Under the Influence

[13]
Do The Right Thing
Greed
Forbidden Games
Safety Last!
Yi Yi

[12]
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
The Man With a Camera
A Man Escaped
A Hard Day's Night
Ivan the Terrible, part 1
Johnny Guitar
The Cranes are Flying
Play Time
Rocco and His Brothers
The Legend of Bailiff Sansho
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mightysparks on May 26 2012, 08:17:54 PM wrote:If I go by my unchecked on most lists, as well as that feeling 'why haven't I watched this yet?':
  • Yi yi
  • El espíritu de la colmena
  • If....
  • Apur Sansar & Aparajito
  • La double vie de Véronique
  • La maman et la putain
  • Ultimo tango a Parigi
  • Les vampires
I've seen most of these now, with just If... and Les vampires to go.

Not really sure what else I haven't seen would be considered 'most essential'.
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Does Dekalog really count as a "movie"? I don't think so. Shoah? More so, but 10-hour-documentaries are another special case.
Then I'd go for - and I assume it's not the best, but one of those everybody will have seen - The Godfather Part III. Good that I'm delaying that for 15 years now, as there's a new, ultimate director's cut available. :whistling:
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According to Sight & Sound, Histoire(s) du cinéma is the most essential that I haven't seen. I've been procrastinating because of the length.

I liked Pierrot le Fou and A Woman is a Woman, but I didn't like Nouvelle Vague or Two or Three Things I Know About Her.

Based on that, can someone tell me whether or not I would like Histoire(s) du cinéma?
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Um .. it's some kind of documentary work, after all, so I suppose they're not really comparable. :shrug:
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I think it has to be either Heimat or Weekend at Bernie's.
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Satantango. If I watch it, I will complete both the S&S and TSPDT lists.

Been putting it off for about a decade. At first it was the silly DVD split, then the rumour of an upgrade, and for the past 3-4 years it was the in progress 4k remaster. Now it is just finding time to watch the blu-ray.
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Vertigo / M / Lawrence
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Armoreska wrote: March 18th, 2021, 12:35 am Vertigo / M / Lawrence
Having stalked your profile :ph43r: , it's a tough pick. Seven Samurai (or Ran), Rashomon, Rear Window (or North by Northwest), The Seventh Seal, perhaps Rififi or Double Indemnity may be just as essential. Or Ladri di biciclette? Jeanne d'Arc?

It's a minefield of masterpieces for you, damnit! ;)
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I have seven essential films yet to see.
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Citizen Kane
Tokyo Story
The Godfather part II
Lawrence of Arabia
Metropolis
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Seven Samurai

I can continue but I think you get the point.
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Almost certainly the Cabinet of Dr Caligari. I have a number of holes in the silents. 9 of my top 25 films I haven't seen with the most checks are silents. Greed/Intolerance/Napoleon are all very high on the list as well. Another 7 in the next 25 as well. It isn't that I don't enjoy silents, I often do. I'm just picky about silent dramas. I like a wide variety of silent comedies, but silent dramas, while I love some of them, I've ended up a few too many times watching it and kind of wondering what the big deal was. That said, I'm planning to knock at least a chunk of these out in September during the silent era challenge.
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L'Atalante
Le samouraï
Intolerance: Love's Struggle Throughout the Ages
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Lakigigar wrote: March 18th, 2021, 1:50 am Citizen Kane
Tokyo Story
The Godfather part II
Lawrence of Arabia
Metropolis
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Seven Samurai

I can continue but I think you get the point.
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Tokyo Story meh. There are even similar Ozu movies that I enjoy better. It gets a boost because it was the first Ozu to have a major release at the time.
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Bing147 wrote: March 18th, 2021, 5:51 am Almost certainly the Cabinet of Dr Caligari. I have a number of holes in the silents. 9 of my top 25 films I haven't seen with the most checks are silents. Greed/Intolerance/Napoleon are all very high on the list as well. Another 7 in the next 25 as well. It isn't that I don't enjoy silents, I often do. I'm just picky about silent dramas. I like a wide variety of silent comedies, but silent dramas, while I love some of them, I've ended up a few too many times watching it and kind of wondering what the big deal was. That said, I'm planning to knock at least a chunk of these out in September during the silent era challenge.
To be honest, part of that is because silent films are ridicilously overrepresented in terms of official lists. (actually not only silents, but 20th century movies in general). Even for the 21st century, it's ridicilous to see the amount of movies produced between 2000 and 2005 compared to the ones made later. It's just so ridicilous that i can't take those lists even seriously. And than people draw conclusions out of it, and say that they don't produce good movies anymore, and that it was better in the 2000's (which I obviously strongly disagree with).
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Lakigigar wrote: March 18th, 2021, 12:52 pm
Bing147 wrote: March 18th, 2021, 5:51 am Almost certainly the Cabinet of Dr Caligari. I have a number of holes in the silents. 9 of my top 25 films I haven't seen with the most checks are silents. Greed/Intolerance/Napoleon are all very high on the list as well. Another 7 in the next 25 as well. It isn't that I don't enjoy silents, I often do. I'm just picky about silent dramas. I like a wide variety of silent comedies, but silent dramas, while I love some of them, I've ended up a few too many times watching it and kind of wondering what the big deal was. That said, I'm planning to knock at least a chunk of these out in September during the silent era challenge.
To be honest, part of that is because silent films are ridicilously overrepresented in terms of official lists. (actually not only silents, but 20th century movies in general). Even for the 21st century, it's ridicilous to see the amount of movies produced between 2000 and 2005 compared to the ones made later. It's just so ridicilous that i can't take those lists even seriously. And than people draw conclusions out of it, and say that they don't produce good movies anymore, and that it was better in the 2000's (which I obviously strongly disagree with).
I don't necessarily agree, at least not that this is a problem. More modern movies are of course less represented than older ones. Its not a marker of quality, but simply of how list making works. Many of the lists are aiming to be about finding the best of all time. Not all of course, but many. A lot of people like to let a work sit, at least for a time, before judging it against the best things ever. They like to see if it holds up to repeated viewings, to see how it sits with them. I would guess that most of us have seen a movie and either really liked it or really disliked it, but then after it sits with us for a time our thinking on it changes at least to a degree. There are plenty of movies that just came out that I can confidently say I think are excellent, but that I think are the best of all time? I'd prefer to wait at least a couple of years in most cases, with the possible exception of personal lists, and I know I'm not alone in that. If I was making a list of my 50 favorite films? I could put something from last month in if I loved it that much. If I was trying to publish a list of the best films of all time? I'd probably put a hard stop at least a few years ago. Others are confident slotting something into such a list day one and that's fine too of course. Every list will be different because every list maker is different.

Beyond that, many of the lists simply came out longer ago. Newer films obviously can't be on lists that came out before they existed.

Silent films are going to have among the most chances of any film to be represented. They've (mostly) been around the longest, so they've had the most time to be considered. They qualify for any list that came out at any time as none of the lists here are going to be older than them. As a distinct type of film they rightfully have lists dedicated to them. There's a lot of opportunity. Many of them are also simply excellent films. That's not a bad thing, unless you think that being on more lists necessarily means you're a better film, which isn't at all what ICM is saying.
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How would I know? I haven't seen it.
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Previous list update: [=seen]
City of God
Come and see
Days of heaven
Bonnie and Clyde
The Hustler
Festen
Make way for tomorrow
I am a fugitive from a chain gang [started, wrong mood]
The shop on Main Street
The music room

Little Vera

Withnail and I
The big Lebowski
Hands over the city
Casque d'or
Braveheart
Shaun of the dead


I just looked at still unchecked by # official lists and got to the middle of p 3 before I saw one that I have any desire (tho not burning) to watch.
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kongs_speech wrote: March 18th, 2021, 5:18 pm How would I know? I haven't seen it.
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This seems pretty similar to the thread about naming your 10 most-listed unseen films.

As far as the mainstream classics go, I haven't seen Giant, The Quiet Man, The Great Escape, Stalag 17, Mildred Pierce, Meet John Doe, Jezebel, um.... Generally, famous war movies and westerns are likely be "gaps" for me.

I've finally seen quite a few old-Hollywood chestnuts over the past couple of years. If you had asked me this question two years ago, the list would have been much longer.
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The Great Escape is very good ... especialy if you like Mc Queen. You don't like the war movies action / mood maybe ?
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kongs_speech wrote: March 18th, 2021, 5:18 pm How would I know? I haven't seen it.
This was exactly my response. I think I'm far enough along in the quest to see official checks, that I've seen most of the most essential/influential/popular/etc films. I think one that might fit the bill is Chelsea Girls. Not sure anything else on the first page of unchecked movies sorted by # of official checks comes close.
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Ebbywebby wrote: March 24th, 2021, 6:15 am This seems pretty similar to the thread about naming your 10 most-listed unseen films.
true, but when your 10 most-listed goes to 17 because you have 1 on 8 lists, 1 on 7 lists, and 15 on 6 lists; this is an easier question to answer
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Let's make it more interesting.
Here are the top unseen that made the list I'm working on, my most essential list.
Which do you think is most essential?
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One of the two Renoirs, definitely, but I might be influenced by the fact that the first "serious" list I was confronted with in my cinephilia was the Cahiers du Cinéma's 100 Films for an Ideal Cinematheque
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Armoreska wrote: March 24th, 2021, 1:25 pm Let's make it more interesting.
Here are the top unseen that made the list I'm working on, my most essential list.
Which do you think is most essential?
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I'd vote for Roma citta aperta - this is the birth of neorealism as well as an incredibly timely look at the results of WWII on Italy. It's the rethinking of cinema - removal from the studio and setting on location, with (some) non-professional actors that sets up wave after wave of cinematic innovation. There are better or more likeable films on your list, but this one stood out to me as the most important of the dozen or so. And I get that people were doing most everything that is done in Rca, but here it brings it all together and got people's attention. It's incredibly important to remember that Rossellini overcame what he didn't have and still made an important film.

Probably the second choice would be the Hulot film. While I wouldn't call it completely revolutionary and don't remember where it stands in Tati's filmography, it's clearly different from other cinema of it's time. Not sure it's been as influential as Roma, but it's enduring success is a testament that, yes, once again, different can work.
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Look forward to watching these in several years. Roma and Regle have those epic sounding titles which should definitely look good in the 10/10 list.
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ANARCHISTS, ANIMAL RIGHTS, Assisted suicide, Existential films, SOCIALIST CINEMA (an amalgamation of lists), Feminist lists, various GSSRM lists (aka LGBTQ+), 2010s bests, Visual Effects nominees, kid-related stuff, great animes (mini-serie or feature), very 80s movies, mah huge sci-fi list, ENVIRO, remarkable Silent Films and Pre-Code (exploring 1925 atm) and every shorts and docu list I'm aware of and
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and "Gordon" Liu Chia-Hui/Liu Chia-Liang and Yuen Woo-ping and "Sammo" Hung Kam-bo
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Pff, Armo. I pointed out so many of the essentialest of them all to you and you start making sub-lists of almost only French films. :hmph:
Torgo wrote: March 18th, 2021, 1:05 am
Armoreska wrote: March 18th, 2021, 12:35 am Vertigo / M / Lawrence
Having stalked your profile :ph43r: , it's a tough pick. Seven Samurai (or Ran), Rashomon, Rear Window (or North by Northwest), The Seventh Seal, perhaps Rififi or Double Indemnity may be just as essential. Or Ladri di biciclette? Jeanne d'Arc?

It's a minefield of masterpieces for you, damnit! ;)
.. of your screenshot, I'd vote for either Roma or one of the two Renoirs. Maybe Rififi too when it comes to ICM and their love for this kind of film.
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Ebbywebby wrote: March 24th, 2021, 6:15 am This seems pretty similar to the thread about naming your 10 most-listed unseen films.
Similar, maybe, though not the same. I can scroll through the most-listed films for a few of us - or my own account, of course - and would always find a more important film somewhere on the ranks 10-20 than at the top spots. To a certain degree, it's coincidence if a film reaches 21 lists or just 14. This will apply even more to you watchers that have already travelled so far through the ICMscape that they've reached top spots of 5-8 lists; in this region, the number of lists is often skewed by the many IMDb lists which, mind you, not always are the ultimate definition of importance. :rolleyes:
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I think Come and See is probably the #1 most acclaimed thing I haven't seen yet.
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